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January 2021 Transfer Window

Another day, but the same old discussion!

For me, as I mentioned yesterday, it's a complete failure on the part of the recruitment team if they are unable to find someone - anyone - who can come in and do a better job than Cutrone or Silva over the remainder of the season. What are they getting paid to do?!

Can't help but feel they are leaving themselves with an awful lot to do in the summer window. I can already predict what's going to happen. We'll probably add 1 or 2 more players to the squad and then state the returning players are "like new signings"...
Also some of the same people who are now sticking up for the club were the same ones saying they'd be very disappointed if we didn't forward plan and get a striker sorted early in this window.

Seems the goalposts have moved again.
 
Also some of the same people who are now sticking up for the club were the same ones saying they'd be very disappointed if we didn't forward plan and get a striker sorted early in this window.

Seems the goalposts have moved again.
Rinse & repeat. It's the same every window.
 
Also some of the same people who are now sticking up for the club were the same ones saying they'd be very disappointed if we didn't forward plan and get a striker sorted early in this window.

Seems the goalposts have moved again.
I'm not sticking up for the club though - I'm just saying what I think their viewpoint is.

I felt very strongly we needed to act early in the window. The club would argue they did in terms of bringing players back from their loans. I was hoping for Jovic on loan. The club clearly thought it wasn't worth it - they'd clearly rather take the short term hit in terms of results. Same with other players. I can't do anything about that.

Does me being disappointed mean I need to have a meltdown like some every day to prove it? I'd rather just actually discuss the situation than pathetically whinge all the time. I've stopped bothering with some people because they fail to actually answer questions and instead play the victim.
 
Another day, but the same old discussion!

For me, as I mentioned yesterday, it's a complete failure on the part of the recruitment team if they are unable to find someone - anyone - who can come in and do a better job than Cutrone or Silva over the remainder of the season. What are they getting paid to do?!

Can't help but feel they are leaving themselves with an awful lot to do in the summer window. I can already predict what's going to happen. We'll probably add 1 or 2 more players to the squad and then state the returning players are "like new signings"...
Loans becoming permanent too?
 
Does me being disappointed mean I need to have a meltdown like some every day to prove it? I'd rather just actually discuss the situation than pathetically whinge all the time. I've stopped bothering with some people because they fail to actually answer questions and instead play the victim.
I don't think anyone is "having a meltdown". That's the type of comment levelled at people who dare to be critical of the club, when they are clearly failing or coming up short in a certain area i.e. recruitment. It was the same in the last window when those same posters were being critical of the situation then, and were constantly told to "be patient and wait until the end of the window". Why wait? We're having a discussion.
 
Loans becoming permanent too?
That would depend on the player. Always prefer to have the option to buy in place, rather than potentially improving a player for someone else to benefit from. But sometimes, needs must!

Edit: ah, I may have misunderstood your point. You mean the players currently on loan being signed? Need to see Vitinha & co step up over the final 20 games before making a call on that. He hasn't done much of note yet, albeit he hasn't got on the pitch a great deal.
 
After reading Spiers article in The Athletic yesterday my interpretation is that the club have spent £35m on Fabio Silva (the merits of which I'm not going to discuss now), have Raul Jiminez to return and they have recalled Patrick Cutrone to provide extra cover.

It's clearly a more difficult transfer window than normal with COVID + Brexit taking effect in terms of work permits etc.

I 'think' that the club are going to gamble on what we have being enough for the rest of the season - if there was a signing available that fit into the long term vision of the squad then I imagine we'd go for them but I think the club are happy with their options once Raul returns.

Personally I'd like to see a short term loan come in but I can't imagine that it is easy to find such a player that would actually make a difference between now and the end of the season - and by that I don't mean identify a target but actually do a deal to get them here seems to be more difficult than it has been previously.
 
I don't think anyone is "having a meltdown". That's the type of comment levelled at people who dare to be critical of the club, when they are clearly failing or coming up short in a certain area i.e. recruitment. It was the same in the last window when those same posters were being critical of the situation then, and were constantly told to "be patient and wait until the end of the window". Why wait? We're having a discussion.
And anyone who looks at it from the club point of view is accused of 'defending the club' (rinse and repeat) when I did nothing of the sort.
 
After reading Spiers article in The Athletic yesterday my interpretation is that the club have spent £35m on Fabio Silva (the merits of which I'm not going to discuss now), have Raul Jiminez to return and they have recalled Patrick Cutrone to provide extra cover.

It's clearly a more difficult transfer window than normal with COVID + Brexit taking effect in terms of work permits etc.

I 'think' that the club are going to gamble on what we have being enough for the rest of the season - if there was a signing available that fit into the long term vision of the squad then I imagine we'd go for them but I think the club are happy with their options once Raul returns.

Personally I'd like to see a short term loan come in but I can't imagine that it is easy to find such a player that would actually make a difference between now and the end of the season - and by that I don't mean identify a target but actually do a deal to get them here seems to be more difficult than it has been previously.
This is basically it.

What the club would say is why spend a certain amount on 'X' for six months, when they don't feel that person will be in the plans beyond that period.

I think Spiers made a good point (possibly in his mailbag article) that spending on someone might be worth it anyway due to the difference in prize money, and an improvement in mood going into the summer. I think I'd agree with that, but I guess it's also a risk to suggest Josh King (as an example) would have that impact.
 
And anyone who looks at it from the club point of view is accused of 'defending the club' (rinse and repeat) when I did nothing of the sort.
I didn't specifically accuse you of it though, if I was I'd have quoted one of your posts.

It is true though that sometime on here the club can do no wrong and anything they do will be defended. Wolves have got loads more right than they have wrong over the last 3 years but not having a senior striker who is good enough to start is killing us this season, Cutrone isn't the answer and although covid and other factors are making it more difficult to sign players a couple of wins gets you back into the top half, it's very congested.

I agree with not thinking short term in general but sometimes you need a short term signing to see you through an injury a bit like Marcal to a lesser extent with Jonny.
 
I think Spiers made a good point (possibly in his mailbag article) that spending on someone might be worth it anyway due to the difference in prize money, and an improvement in mood going into the summer. I think I'd agree with that, but I guess it's also a risk to suggest Josh King (as an example) would have that impact.
I'd agree with this too. I think aside from mood and prize money if we're looking for someone who can just make us stronger even in the short term then that benefits the young lads too, better than developing in an imbalanced or dysfunctional side, surely?
 
I 'think' that the club are going to gamble on what we have being enough for the rest of the season - if there was a signing available that fit into the long term vision of the squad then I imagine we'd go for them but I think the club are happy with their options once Raul returns.
If that is the case then criticism is justified if that plan does not bring the required result. I also question the accuracy of the line "once Raul returns". That is a huge unknown at the moment. What if he doesn't return? What if that injury doesn't heal as quickly? One additional striker would not cause a huge imbalance but it could provide good competition if the club invested in a decent level of proven quality.
 

Difficult to know how much spin has been imparted on this story by the club but it does suggest an added difficulty in getting players to move clubs this transfer window, particularly those who would come from abroad. Fair play to Cutrone, he could have made it difficult for Wolves when they asked him to come back but he didn't and I'm sure it has been an upheaval for him.

I'm not going to get bent out of shape if we don't get anyone in - the next few months could be the making of Silva and Cutrone was bought as Raul's back up originally so it's on him now to prove it wasn't the mistake it seemed to be. Neither of them are as good or as effective as Raul but I don't think we're going to get anyone who is this window.
 
I'd agree with this too. I think aside from mood and prize money if we're looking for someone who can just make us stronger even in the short term then that benefits the young lads too, better than developing in an imbalanced or dysfunctional side, surely?
I would say so. The club clearly feel the current squad is good enough not to be performing this badly though (and you'd say that is true, Nuno could undoubtedly be getting more out of them), so they are happy to roll the dice. It's just going to make people less patient come the summer, which is understandable, to address the key areas that clearly need addressing.
 
I 'think' that the club are going to gamble on what we have being enough for the rest of the season - if there was a signing available that fit into the long term vision of the squad then I imagine we'd go for them but I think the club are happy with their options once Raul returns
It's not popular and certainly wouldn't have been the strategy at the start of the season, but if the view is the season is dead, go again next year then they are probably correct. Despite all the talk on here of relegation battles 3 wins and 3 draws from 19 games will keep us up and that's giving Fulham a point a game when they are currently averaging 0.7. Is anyone seriously suggesting we won't get that? It would still involve losing 2/3 of our remaining matches. We were complacent as a club the last time we were relegated from the Prem, so yes that needs to be guarded against, but it's highly, highly unlikely we'll go down, so i can see why we'd keep our money unless it's a signing for the medium as well as the shorter term.

That doesn't excuse the way they've exposed themselves up front and it's a lesson that needs to be learnt from as if something happens to Raul early next season we'll be in the same boat again with Fabio being a year older and experienced but in all likelihood still not in a position to carry the burden.

First and foremost we need to fix Nuno though
 
If that is the case then criticism is justified if that plan does not bring the required result. I also question the accuracy of the line "once Raul returns". That is a huge unknown at the moment. What if he doesn't return? What if that injury doesn't heal as quickly? One additional striker would not cause a huge imbalance but it could provide good competition if the club invested in a decent level of proven quality
Clearly the club know more about Raul's potential return date and I am somewhat speculating but that's all we can do at the moment.

January is traditionally a shit time for signing new players, January 2021 seems to be even more difficult than normal because of the various factors at play around Brexit and the pandemic.

If we end the window with Silva and Cutrone as our two options then, personally, I think it isn't great unless we see a turn around in their performances but equally I don't think going out and spending another £20m+ on a striker that isn't likely to be first choice once Raul recovers is a prudent use of our funds either when IMO we need to be focussing on strengthening CB & CM as priorities moving into the summer.
 
It's not popular and certainly wouldn't have been the strategy at the start of the season, but if the view is the season is dead, go again next year then they are probably correct. Despite all the talk on here of relegation battles 3 wins and 3 draws from 19 games will keep us up and that's giving Fulham a point a game when they are currently averaging 0.7. Is anyone seriously suggesting we won't get that? It would still involve losing 2/3 of our remaining matches. We were complacent as a club the last time we were relegated from the Prem, so yes that needs to be guarded against, but it's highly, highly unlikely we'll go down, so i can see why we'd keep our money unless it's a signing for the medium as well as the shorter term.

That doesn't excuse the way they've exposed themselves up front and it's a lesson that needs to be learnt from as if something happens to Raul early next season we'll be in the same boat again with Fabio being a year older and experienced but in all likelihood still not in a position to carry the burden.

First and foremost we need to fix Nuno though
I agree with this.

I'll admit that part of my ambivalence to the current situation is rooted in the fact that I think this season (for football as a whole, not just Wolves) has been a load of garbage. What is essentially glorified training matches every week with no real passion in them and results all over the place. Get to the end of the season and hopefully next year we can get back to something like 'normal' with fans slowly being allowed back in.

I do think we have been exposed by Raul's injury and need to learn from it going forward, the summer recruitment was poor for the immediate term but still has the potential to come good in the medium to long term still so I won't write it off completely whether I agree with the strategy or not.

If we do get relegated then we would completely deserve it but I agree that I think it is very unlikely from our current position as outlined in your post.
 
I would say so. The club clearly feel the current squad is good enough not to be performing this badly though (and you'd say that is true, Nuno could undoubtedly be getting more out of them), so they are happy to roll the dice. It's just going to make people less patient come the summer, which is understandable, to address the key areas that clearly need addressing.
I see it from both sides, tbf. But we're asking a lot of a recruitment team that have struggled in the last few windows to suddenly make the perfect signings in defence, midfield and up top come the summer window. And no one really knows if the situation will be any different to now in terms of the pandemic at that point too. That's where my main issue lies, really. I understand the difficulty of finding a good option to come in and improve us up top in this window (although I still feel the recruitment team really should be able to find a striker for the right cost, be it loan or permanently, that is an improvement on Fabio & Pat).

I did read the article from Spiers yesterday (the mailbag one) and there were some interesting points raised about the lack of communication/updates from the club on specific topics. Ultimately they can't really win either way.
 
I don't think going out and spending another £20m+ on a striker that isn't likely to be first choice once Raul recovers is a prudent use of our funds either when IMO we need to be focussing on strengthening CB & CM as priorities moving into the summer.
Presuming that Cutrone doesn't develop into some kind of solution over the rest of the season I still feel some kind of forward is as much of a priority as a CM and CB. If we don't do it now I think we'd be daft not to do it in the summer.

Doesn't have to be a Raul clone either, I like YW's suggestion of someone who can play wider too
 
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