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Israel-Palestine

Paddingtonwolf said:
True, but orator is a recognised authority in international law rather than the man on the Clapham omnibus
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But, there will be a different orator who is also a recognised authority in international law with a different opinion. The man on the bus will prefer one opinion over another but still won’t be confirmed.
 
prawnking said:
Not even the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (which 31 governments, including our own in the UK, are members of)? 😅

I guess all those pesky Jews around the world don't know as much about it as you.

Interesting how in most other cases of discrimination, liberal people would listen to those affected (black people, women, LGBTQ) and gracefully accept their perspective
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Plenty of "pesky jews" including descendents of holocaust survivers who draw parallels between the persecution of Jews under the Rassengesetze and the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank, but I'm glad you're here to tell them they are anti-semetic.
 
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The Saturday Boy said:
But, there will be a different orator who is also a recognised authority in international law with a different opinion. The man on the bus will prefer one opinion over another but still won’t be confirmed.
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And that’s why my post started with true. It isn’t fact. But it is informed and learned opinion.
 
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AndyWolves said:
That maybe labour aren't calling for a ceasefire for fear of being seen as antisemitic and don't want to be seen as critical of Israel. Given the history of the party I think it's a reasonable discussion point.
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I mean, the 'discussion' consisted of all the Corbynites, who have downplayed anti semitism in the Labour Party on this very forum, unequivocally agreeing with your proposition with a single word or emoji, so maybe you're stretching the word a little there
 
EdgeOfTheAlps said:
Plenty of "pesky jews" including descendents of holocaust survivers who draw parallels between the persecution of Jews under the Rassengesetze and the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank, but I'm glad you're here to tell them they are anti-semetic.
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Where's Tony with his 'bad faith-ometer' when you need him?

Plenty of Blacks and Hispanics voted for Trump, and your new-found love of selective Jewish opinion doesn't really wash with me
 
Alan said:
Show me actual anti-Semitism in this thread. You don’t get the Hitler quote freebie as we already know I don’t see it as anti-Semitic to call out Netanyahu’s fascist cuntery.

We haven’t even gestured at being anti-Semitic here, and as you eagerly point out, I’m pretty sensitive to once/twice-removed prejudice.
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I've actually criticised people for downplaying and being blasé about anti-semitism on here, the only time I've directly accused someone of using an AS trope is EP on Thursday, which you've conveniently told me I can't reference as you kindly granted him a exception 😅

It doesn't matter whether you think Netanyahu is a cunt or not (I think he is too). Using anti-semitic tropes when criticising him, or Israel, is unnecessary, and leaves you open to the above accusations, for reasons I've already described in detail (with examples and links ffs).

If you disliked a black leader, would you happily reach for racist tropes when attacking them, or dismiss criticism of others who did it? Would you fuck
 
Look - I think you are just creating circular arguments and getting your nose out of joint about something that may not be necessary PK, and it feels like it gets in the way of the debate of the issues.

Netanyahu is scum and he has led his government in driving a coach and horses through the Geneva convention for nearly 30 years. Doesn’t excuse Hamas obviously.

It’s very clear that Netanyahu would have loved to have had a party when Rabin was on the wrong end of an assassination because he (and Likud) are hawks that want Palestine eradicated. Since he got power any chance of the Middle East getting sorted got a whole lot more difficult.
 
Johnny75 said:
I'm not sure on a ceasefire, but I think the bombing of civilian targets needs to stop, that is what the Russians did in Ukraine to international outage. The ground offensive could be worse for civilians currently being held as human shields by the terrorists of Hamas.
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This is the added complication; Hamas deliberately has military targets mixed among the civilian population to ensure these kinds of scenarios. Doesn't excuse Israeli recklessness though, which is undoubtedly a fair charge against them.

The issue with a ceasefire imo (and I've seen many Jewish commentators say this also) is that it's in danger of being seen to disproportionately benefit Hamas, who were the initial aggressors at the start of this month, unless it's accompanied by the release of all hostages and Hamas surrendering, which is obviously highly unlikely
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Look - I think you are just creating circular arguments and getting your nose out of joint about something that may not be necessary PK, and it feels like it gets in the way of the debate of the issues.
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That's fair enough.

It's an emotive and concerning issue for all, I'm sure, and I've had more than my fair say, so I'll take a break from the thread for a bit so as not to dominate it with this facet
 
Machakayla airport in Dagestan a Russian province, shut because a flight from Tel Aviv landed and the locals wanted to kill all the Jews on it, so stormed the terminal and got onto the apron where the planes are and trying to get on the plane.
Russia has been upping the anti Jewish rhetoric on tv over the last week or so
 
Keef said:
Machakayla airport in Dagestan a Russian province, shut because a flight from Tel Aviv landed and the locals wanted to kill all the Jews on it, so stormed the terminal and got onto the apron where the planes are and trying to get on the plane.
Russia has been upping the anti Jewish rhetoric on tv over the last week or so
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At the same time I have been reliably informed that there are plenty of Jewish people in the higher echelons of Russian society and government. Many keep it very quiet and have plans in place for leaving for Israel if and when it becomes necessary.
 
They’ve very nearly lynched a Jew in the airport, apart from the fact he was a Turkmeni ( Turkmenistan not Turkey) and only stopped when they found his passport!
It’s sort of live-streaming on twitter at the monute
 
FSB (old KGB) have finally rocked up, secured the airport perimeter, currently giving protesters who didn’t leg it a good kicking and chucking them into vans.
The lad who nearly got lynched was Uzbek not Turkmeni, twitter unsurprisingly got it wrong, or the translator did
 
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