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If Not Lage, Then Who?

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You'd need someone other than Podence to actually stand in the middle of the pitch first.
Maybe the manager could direct them to do this.

Sounds better than having them fill in forms from HR to say "I am shit, I must do better".

Or maybe it's just me.
 
Maybe the manager could direct them to do this.

Sounds better than having them fill in forms from HR to say "I am shit, I must do better".

Or maybe it's just me.
Maybe they don't listen? The horseshoe formation was well established before Lage.
 
Or maybe the awful manager who won 2 of his last 13 games at literally the biggest club in a farmer's league and has won 1 of his last 13 in charge of Wolves is fucking shit.

Who knows.
 
Strange hill this Mark.

Players are ignoring the manager - stop picking them then.

He isn’t giving them any instruction - sorry what?

Blokes on a forum can notice tactical issues but a manager on millions a year can’t notice this and tell them to maybe do something different. He just carries on telling them nothing. Or they just carry on ignoring him…

All very farfetched
 
Strange hill this Mark.

Players are ignoring the manager - stop picking them then.

He isn’t giving them any instruction - sorry what?

Blokes on a forum can notice tactical issues but a manager on millions a year can’t notice this and tell them to maybe do something different. He just carries on telling them nothing. Or they just carry on ignoring him…

All very farfetched

Where have these players ever displayed the traits they're so sorely lacking now? Under Nuno they flourished in a conservative counter attacking team but now they're being asked to dominate and break teams down, it's a different skillset.

I'm not saying they're bad players outright, they're just generally not front foot players in my view. Or the the few that are more inclined that way are just inconsistent or guilty of terrible decision making. A better manager probably pushes them closet to that mentality but I don't think they ever get all the way there.

If it's all on Lage, every little tiny failing, what is it do you think that he's telling them exactly? Is he telling Jimenez to stand still and avoid the 6 yard box at all costs, like he always has? Is he telling Neves to hold hands with the centre halves, like he always has? Is he telling the wide players to stay as far away from the centre forward as possible, like they have since promotion? Is he telling every man and his dog to make about 3 extra touches and play every pass a yard behind it's target, like they always have?

We're basically just seeing the same problem as we've seen for the last few years whenever a team sits off and Wolves have to break them down, they can't do it. In previous years it happened a few times a season but was largely outweighed by counter attacking successes, now the counter attacking has gone it's just the same failure pretty much every week. The way to improve this output is to go back to what suits them, lying deep, playing conservatively and hitting the ball into massive open spaces where they can just run to go instead of engaging their brains to break teams down.
 
Where have these players ever displayed the traits they're so sorely lacking now? Under Nuno they flourished in a conservative counter attacking team but now they're being asked to dominate and break teams down, it's a different skillset.

I'm not saying they're bad players outright, they're just generally not front foot players in my view. Or the the few that are more inclined that way are just inconsistent or guilty of terrible decision making. A better manager probably pushes them closet to that mentality but I don't think they ever get all the way there.

If it's all on Lage, every little tiny failing, what is it do you think that he's telling them exactly? Is he telling Jimenez to stand still and avoid the 6 yard box at all costs, like he always has? Is he telling Neves to hold hands with the centre halves, like he always has? Is he telling the wide players to stay as far away from the centre forward as possible, like they have since promotion? Is he telling every man and his dog to make about 3 extra touches and play every pass a yard behind it's target, like they always have?

We're basically just seeing the same problem as we've seen for the last few years whenever a team sits off and Wolves have to break them down, they can't do it. In previous years it happened a few times a season but was largely outweighed by counter attacking successes, now the counter attacking has gone it's just the same failure pretty much every week. The way to improve this output is to go back to what suits them, lying deep, playing conservatively and hitting the ball into massive open spaces where they can just run to go instead of engaging their brains to break teams down.
Jimenez hasn't always avoided the 18 yard box, it's only the last 2 seasons. You can look at the injury or the manager, but he used to attack the ball, he now doesn't.

As for "as they always have". Neto was a completely different player under him, again go for injury or tactics, but he's another who doesn't play the same way.

That only leaves Jonny, Neves and Moutinho left from Nuno's team. Anyone else was peripheral or not here.
 
Where have these players ever displayed the traits they're so sorely lacking now? Under Nuno they flourished in a conservative counter attacking team but now they're being asked to dominate and break teams down, it's a different skillset.
I don't know where this idea has come from but in terms of evidence on the pitch, I don't see it whatsoever.
 
I don't know where this idea has come from but in terms of evidence on the pitch, I don't see it whatsoever.

I think it's just down to us being glacially slow now when we get the ball, opposed to the quicker breaks we used to have under Nuno. Those first 2 PL seasons we played some phenomenal stuff, so the players can do it.
 
Where have these players ever displayed the traits they're so sorely lacking now? Under Nuno they flourished in a conservative counter attacking team but now they're being asked to dominate and break teams down, it's a different skillset.
They play international football for some of the best countries in the world. They are not total no hopers.
I'm not saying they're bad players outright, they're just generally not front foot players in my view. Or the the few that are more inclined that way are just inconsistent or guilty of terrible decision making. A better manager probably pushes them closet to that mentality but I don't think they ever get all the way there.
Yes they make bad decisions. But the further away from a elite you go, the more bad decisions that get made.
If it's all on Lage, every little tiny failing, what is it do you think that he's telling them exactly?
Fuck knows! That’s the problem! They are trying to do things that are successful against mannequins in training which then don’t translate to anything on the pitch so then they players have no pattern of play and just keep recycling only to get forced into an aimless lump into the box.
Is he telling Jimenez to stand still and avoid the 6 yard box at all costs, like he always has?
Nonsense. Was one of the best aerial threats in the league pre injury.

He’s actively telling the team not to cross though, he’s on record saying it. So why keep trying to work it wide only to refuse a cross
Is he telling Neves to hold hands with the centre halves, like he always has?
Yes I think he is. Teams have been doing this for decades anyway.
Is he telling the wide players to stay as far away from the centre forward as possible, like they have since promotion?
Yes I think he is. If he wasn’t they wouldn’t be doing it.
Is he telling every man and his dog to make about 3 extra touches and play every pass a yard behind it's target, like they always have?
Doesn’t happen everytime does it. This happens in all teams as it’s not FIFA.
We're basically just seeing the same problem as we've seen for the last few years whenever a team sits off and Wolves have to break them down, they can't do it. In previous years it happened a few times a season but was largely outweighed by counter attacking successes, now the counter attacking has gone it's just the same failure pretty much every week. The way to improve this output is to go back to what suits them, lying deep, playing conservatively and hitting the ball into massive open spaces where they can just run to go instead of engaging their brains to break teams down.
Because the shit patterns of play they are working on (or aren’t doing in your opinion, they just turn up on a Tuesday night for kick about then play Sunday morning), aren’t translating to anything on the pitch. The winger doesn’t have an unimpeded run to the byline ready to cut it back to an unmarked forward on the penalty spot with nil chance of interception.

Liverpool literally work it down the channel, set it back to Trent who whips it in first time and 6 blokes attack it. Such a simple gameplan. You telling me these “conservative players” can’t do that. Nonsense. I’m not asking for Tika Taka. Just any plan.
 
It looks like us, Villa and Leicester may all be after new managers soon. Brendan Rodgers wouldn't be my first choice but I'd be happy enough with him. He's miles better than Lage. He'll probably end up at Villa though.
 
Sevilla two down at home before half time….
 
It looks like us, Villa and Leicester may all be after new managers soon. Brendan Rodgers wouldn't be my first choice but I'd be happy enough with him. He's miles better than Lage. He'll probably end up at Villa though.

I'd take him for 2 and half seasons.
 
It looks like us, Villa and Leicester may all be after new managers soon. Brendan Rodgers wouldn't be my first choice but I'd be happy enough with him. He's miles better than Lage. He'll probably end up at Villa though.
I'd take B-Rodge in a heartbeat as long as the club understand that things always implode around him after year two.

EDIT: Ninja'd.
 
I'd take B-Rodge in a heartbeat as long as the club understand that things always implode around him after year two.

EDIT: Ninja'd.
 

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Lopetegui seems in serious trouble
I know it seems that lots are for Lage being beheaded, and Lopetegui seems to be mentioned in such high esteem, but is he really that good?
what is it (probably Dan the stats man) that makes such an outstanding candidate, or if you wish, why is he better than Pochetino??
 
I know it seems that lots are for Lage being beheaded, and Lopetegui seems to be mentioned in such high esteem, but is he really that good?
what is it (probably Dan the stats man) that makes such an outstanding candidate, or if you wish, why is he better than Pochetino??
I don’t think anyone thinks he’s better than Poch, more a case of he might come, Poch is very unlikely to.
 
I wouldn't want Lopetegui here. More of the same.
 
I know it seems that lots are for Lage being beheaded, and Lopetegui seems to be mentioned in such high esteem, but is he really that good?
what is it (probably Dan the stats man) that makes such an outstanding candidate, or if you wish, why is he better than Pochetino??
I thinks it's more the case that that if we have a vacancy and it coincides with his availability then it seems inevitable.

Personally, I'd still prefer a wider search which includes managers in jobs who might be interested.
 
I don't really know for sure, but it seems to me that since he took the Spain job instead of coming here he hasn't really been very successful.
 
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