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How long has Corbyn got left?

FPTP surely kills a lot of interest in the Lib Dems from the off. They'd never got more than 10% of the vote share in my constituency I don't think so as much as I back their Brexit stance it was a vote that would have had zero impact on the outcome, though ultimately neither did my alternative choice such was the swing.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
I don't know, it's pretty much a one note performance that got tired about three years ago. He (or "he", who knows where the line is) talks an awful lot of shit.
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To be fair, he's the only person whose really been able to explain to me why Trump won

I watched his feminism interview this morning, which was brilliant
 
Sam-Wolf said:
The issue literally is that they were a credible alternative, to a huge amount of people.
If you add the Lib Dem vote share to the Labour vote share there is almost exactly the same number as the Tory votes.
The inability of those two parties (and the greens, to a smaller extent) to work together somehow are exactly the reason why they couldn't fight the Tories (especially as the Tories had their original seats unchallenged by the Brexit Party).
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Tbf you can't expect the Lib Dems to work with Labour as they are some way apart on policy. No reason Labour and Greens can't work together though. I'd like to see an alliance between them next time as there were plenty of seats where the margins were so tight the Greens stepping aside would have made a difference.
 
Templeton Peck said:
Tbf you can't expect the Lib Dems to work with Labour as they are some way apart on policy. No reason Labour and Greens can't work together though. I'd like to see an alliance between them next time as there were plenty of seats where the margins were so tight the Greens stepping aside would have made a difference.
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So I guess labour , the greens and the liberals need to sort PRbefore the next election then. Oh , but that wont get past a huge majority.
 
I think it is a bit rich to expect Greens to just step aside. They had a pact with Plaid and the Lib Dems. Labour refused to join in. Plus Labour actively campaigned against former Labour MPs standing as Liberals, such as Luciana Berger, and split the the vote to gift the Tories the seat. Unless Labour changes I cannot see another party entering into such an agreement.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
I think it is a bit rich to expect Greens to just step aside. They had a pact with Plaid and the Lib Dems. Labour refused to join in. Plus Labour actively campaigned against former Labour MPs standing as Liberals, such as Luciana Berger, and split the the vote to gift the Tories the seat. Unless Labour changes I cannot see another party entering into such an agreement.
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I find it incredibly arrogant that any Labour supporter should suggest that another party stand aside given the direction of travel the party is taking and the performance last week. There's now a campaign online from some Momentum members to discredit Jess Phillips by insinuating she's racist. These are the same people that are saying the Lib Dems are nothing but Tories and are quite happy to tell anybody that doesn't agree with them that they're Tory voters and aren't afraid to tell members of the Labour Party that they should go and join the Tories. That's before we get to the obviously anti-Semitic views many of these people deny there is a problem, hiding behind a spurious commons report.

The current despicable nature of a faction of Labour Party members will see them disappear up their own arseholes shortly.
 
More eloquently states what I've been saying on here ever since Corbyn was elected. You'll never convince the cult though
 
Well if not, then maybe the more centrist elements of labour should split away. They could call themselves New Labour or something like that...
 
Remember when Paddy was a die hard Tory...those were the days :icon_lol:

Quite the change these days!
 
School of hard knocks has changed me, plus the current lot aren’t any Conservative party that I recognise.
 
It’s a bit of that too. And growing a conscience after all these years.

Back to the point in hand. Three men have won elections for Labour since the war. Attlee, Wilson and Blair. 1983 Labour went toward the left of the party under Foot and got annihilated. Same thing just happened again, albeit fried in a little extra special Brexit sauce. If there is ONE thing labour must learn from this debacle, it is that when the party positions itself in a place that the voting public perceive as hard left (not the position that momentum are claiming for it - that’s utterly irrelevant - what the people think is what counts) then the party is utterly unelectable.

Do you want a party in opposition primed to come back and take power in five years, or do you consider the project more important even when those ideas have been profoundly and decisively rejected?
 
I think the UK is intrinsically a centre-right country (with some pretty horrible undertones at the moment). You can't diverge too far from that or you won't get in.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
I think the UK is intrinsically a centre-right country (with some pretty horrible undertones at the moment). You can't diverge too far from that or you won't get in.
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That in fairness is hardly news. That has been the same since the 1980s in reality. Only Blair played the game. David Milliband could probably have continued but labour elected the wrong Milliband and the rest is history.
 
That thread sums up the problem. New Labour did a fucktonne of good, along with some fairly massive ballsups.

By comparison JC has no such stains to his name. But this isnt evidence of infallibility - its evidence that he's never been in a position where his fuckups mattered. In a parallel universe where JC became PM in 1997 we'd now be talking about Kosovo in the same way that we talk about Iraq.
 
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