How long has Corbyn got left?

[Deutsch Wolf]

Some of the policies are popular, others are popular in principle but the actual detail is lacking, and yet more seemed to be thrown together right at the end with no thought at all (free broadband, WASPI payouts).

This performance is a disaster, to carry on down the same road is political suicide. Lame Duck Brown held the Tories to a hung Parliament FFS. We've just had an election where the Tories have won their biggest majority for over 30 years while led by someone who most people fundamentally dislike.

 

[Templeton Peck]

The policies weren't really tested because of the first two reasons you identify. Both main parties threw policies out of nowhere during the campaign Waspi women, BBC license fees etc.

What is fact is that the only elections Labour have won in 45 years have been on a centre left platform

They weren't centre left under Blair. Centre right is more accurate.

Policies popular both with polling and on doorsteps. Main issue seems to be Brexit and not trusting Corbyn.

 

[AndyWolves]

Some of the policies are popular, others are popular in principle but the actual detail is lacking, and yet more seemed to be thrown together right at the end with no thought at all (free broadband, WASPI payouts).

This performance is a disaster, to carry on down the same road is political suicide. Lame Duck Brown held the Tories to a hung Parliament FFS. We've just had an election where the Tories have won their biggest majority for over 30 years while led by someone who most people fundamentally dislike.

I think not liking Corbyn was universal, some people like BoJo

 

[Tony Towner]

They weren't centre left under Blair. Centre right is more accurate.

Policies popular both with polling and on doorsteps. Main issue seems to be Brexit and not trusting Corbyn.

That's the problem though you and your ilk genuinely believe that. Minimum wage, civil partnerships, mass hospital and school regeneration that's not centre right, you just think it is.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Momentum has such a hold I fear labour could be fucked. Centrist is the way to go. Don't compare labour with others.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I think not liking Corbyn was universal, some people like BoJo

Some people bought Starsailor records.

I'm no fan of Corbyn at all but he is nothing like on the same level as Johnson who is a genuinely awful person.

 

[AndyWolves]

Some people bought Starsailor records.

I'm no fan of Corbyn at all but he is nothing like on the same level as Johnson who is a genuinely awful person.

Some people buy Nickelback albums, lots of people do

I agree with you, but we're clearly in the minority. More people like / tolerate BoJo than Corbyn

 

[AndyWolves]

Momentum has such a hold I fear labour could be fucked. Centrist is the way to go. Don't compare labour with others.

Yeah, momentum "control" labour at the moment. Some of the older labour voters I know don't recognize their party anymore

 

[Templeton Peck]

That's the problem though you and your ilk genuinely believe that. Minimum wage, civil partnerships, mass hospital and school regeneration that's not centre right, you just think it is.

And you and your ilk genuinely believe Blair was centre left! Labour started to lose the working class vote when they failed to protect them from the effects of Thatcherism. Huge sections of the population were left behind which has brought us to where we are now.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Yeah, momentum "control" labour at the moment. Some of the older labour voters I know don't recognize their party anymore

Labour has 500k members of which momentum number 40k. Nobody has 'taken over' it's just democracy. Centrists seem to struggle with it when they don't like the results.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Some people bought Starsailor records.

I'm no fan of Corbyn at all but he is nothing like on the same level as Johnson who is a genuinely awful person.

To you. This country has decided low taxes is the way to go rather than social policies. That's the reality.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

And you and your ilk genuinely believe Blair was centre left! Labour started to lose the working class vote when they failed to protect them from the effects of Thatcherism. Huge sections of the population were left behind which has brought us to where we are now.

Blair was almost centre right. But would I take Blair over Cameron, May and Bojo? In a fucking heartbeat.

 

[Tony Towner]

And you and your ilk genuinely believe Blair was centre left! Labour started to lose the working class vote when they failed to protect them from the effects of Thatcherism. Huge sections of the population were left behind which has brought us to where we are now.

Nope, where we are now is when Corbyn disappeared from the referendum discussion letting Cameron and Osborne be the face of the remain campaign. He allowed people in traditional working class northern communities to believe their life was shit because of the EU to go completely unchecked. Thursday stems back to that. Blaming the PM who won 3 thumping majorities is bizarre, while you have that attitude you will continue to be part of the problem, not the solution.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Labour has 500k members of which momentum number 40k. Nobody has 'taken over' it's just democracy. Centrists seem to struggle with it when they don't like the results.

I certainly don't like 203 MPs as a result.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

To you. This country has decided low taxes is the way to go rather than social policies. That's the reality.

Feel free to make the case why Boris Johnson (if that is his real name, which it isn't) is not an awful person.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I certainly don't like 203 MPs as a result.

203 MPs against the back drop of May Johnson and brexit is a disaster. Its like Barcelona finishing in an Europa league place and celebrating!

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Feel free to make the case why Boris Johnson (if that is his real name, which it isn't) is not an awful person.

OK me old. I have worked for the cunt. You haven't. He is more intelligent than you give credit. I do not agree with his politics but he is what Napoleon would call a lucky General. He has something that the public like and believe in. That's why he has a majority. He also has a mandate from the electorate. Its not 52/48 anymore. Remain has been stuffed. So its now up to him to deliver. If he doesnt. Vote him out. I just pray labour understands the need to provide a centrist alternative. I fear not.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

None of that makes him a non-awful person :icon_lol:

On a personal level, given what we know about him (much of which he can't even be bothered to refute, as it's clearly true), he's an absolute walloper. Why would you say he's not an awful person? What is nice about him, or compassionate, or understanding of normal people, where are any of the anecdotes that *don't* paint him as a total stroker?

Even his friends don't really like him. His own brother quit politics rather than work with him.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

None of that makes him a non-awful person :icon_lol:

On a personal level, given what we know about him (much of which he can't even be bothered to refute, as it's clearly true), he's an absolute walloper. Why would you say he's not an awful person? What is nice about him, or compassionate, or understanding of normal people, where are any of the anecdotes that *don't* paint him as a total stroker?

Even his friends don't really like him. His own brother quit politics rather than work with him.

No I agree he as a person sucks. But for whatever reason he seems to have the Midas touch. I think he will deliver, unfortunately and labour will continue doing an ostrich impression and get stuffed again in 2024.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Excellent, so you agree with what I said in the first place and we've both just wasted 20 minutes