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[Sniffer]

If it stops Attwell getting his Luton pencil case and ruler out to see where he will draw the lines then I can live with it.

 

[fansagainstvar]

The lies we were told to bring VAR in

https://twitter.com/x/status/1784872611446456350

 

[North Shropshire Lad]

It will be interesting to see how our refs and VAR get on as appointed officials during the Euros. I suspect that with clearer direction and less PL 'scrutiny' they will perform much better than under PGMOL guidance.

 

[BillyDee]

Well, Wolves aren't playing in the Euros, so they won't be able to continue their vendetta against us there...

 

[Templeton Peck]

The lies we were told to bring VAR in

https://twitter.com/x/status/1784872611446456350

All this was for like an extra 3-4% of correct decisions too. Not only has it woefully failed on that front its even made on field refs worse.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

That's a bit disingenuous, when they say things like "we got 92% of decisions right" they're including Adlène Guedioura smashing it 30 yards over the bar and giving a goal kick and Jérémy Hélan dribbling it straight out of play and a Millwall throw-in being the right call.

The contentious decisions are that narrow 5-10% and they almost certainly have improved. But the errors look worse because there's no real excuse for getting it horrifically wrong and they do.

 

[Alan]

That's a bit disingenuous, when they say things like "we got 92% of decisions right" they're including Adlène Guedioura smashing it 30 yards over the bar and giving a goal kick and Jérémy Hélan dribbling it straight out of play and a Millwall throw-in being the right call.

The contentious decisions are that narrow 5-10% and they almost certainly have improved. But the errors look worse because there's no real excuse for getting it horrifically wrong and they do.

This is it. VAR hasn't made the refs worse, it's just put the spotlight (a minutes-long, game-freezing spotlight) on just how bad they actually are at this.

 

[Tony Towner]

This is it. VAR hasn't made the refs worse, it's just put the spotlight (a minutes-long, game-freezing spotlight) on just how bad they actually are at this.

I think it has, some don't make close decisions and wait for the technology to do so

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I think it has, some don't make close decisions and wait for the technology to do so

And who can blame them? It's human nature.

 

[pagey]

It's almost laziness on the refs part, let technology sort it out, but then their mates fuck it up anyway.

 

[Alan]

I think it has, some don't make close decisions and wait for the technology to do so

See how you get here but it's a very difficult thing to narrow down to just the presence of VAR.

 

[sycophantia]

I just wish once in a blue moon one of them would go over to the screen and say nah I'm happy with my decision.

 

[Alan]

I just wish once in a blue moon one of them would go over to the screen and say nah I'm happy with my decision.

This definitely won't happen often whilst "clear and obvious" is in place. Circling back to Tony's point about psychology, with VAR structured as it is now, sending the ref to the monitor is already saying "you've probably got this wrong".

 

[Jack Regan]

I just wish once in a blue moon one of them would go over to the screen and say nah I'm happy with my decision.

They might do if when they arrived at the screen they weren't presented with an image (with zero context) that immediately shows a perspective to say their initial decision wasn't right.

 

[Boozad]

They might do if when they arrived at the screen they weren't presented with an image (with zero context) that immediately shows a perspective to say their initial decision wasn't right.

Why don’t they just ask for the whole passage of play? They are like, y’know, the fucking ref.

 

[Tony Towner]

This definitely won't happen often whilst "clear and obvious" is in place. Circling back to Tony's point about psychology, with VAR structured as it is now, sending the ref to the monitor is already saying "you've probably got this wrong".

If you look at the clip I put up earlier, there's no probably. They tell our number 1 referee he is, what his decision should be and show him why with the angles and speeds they wanted. The 'we think that's worth having a look at' message is a red herring. EP says all Atwell was shown against Bournemouth was a swinging arm without the context, that's manufacturing the result you want, not letting the ref see the full picture

 

[Templeton Peck]

This is it. VAR hasn't made the refs worse, it's just put the spotlight (a minutes-long, game-freezing spotlight) on just how bad they actually are at this.

Disagree. VAR provides a comfort blanket now. Not a big deal if you get a decision wrong.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Referee myth-busting: How many decisions do officials get right?

Its a little bit like me advising Lionel Messi on how he can improve his performance and where he went wrong.

www.google.com

98% according to this.

 

[Alan]

Disagree. VAR provides a comfort blanket now. Not a big deal if you get a decision wrong.

Isn't it? Seems to me the scrutiny has never been higher, at least not in the last ~15 years.

 

[Tony Towner]

Isn't it? Seems to me the scrutiny has never been higher, at least not in the last ~15 years.

It's higher because of VAR. Nobody would have mentioned Hwang or Kilman's disallowed goals before it.