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Presumably (and forgive me if I'm putting words into your mouth) you mean "what he could have been" based on his physical attributes and ball control at speed i.e. "if only he had x, y, and z to go with it" - as opposed to "he has got all the attributes, someone just needed to realise his potential".
Somewhere in between, I suppose. Whatever his key issue truly was/is, no one managed to help him get past it. Maybe that manager exists, maybe not; regardless, he never was able to put everything together.

Didn’t anticipate the comment would illicit so much response tbh!
 
Thats the point though, Wilson, Iwobi etc are fairly ubiquitous in the game.

Someone of Adamas physical and technical attributes is almost unique in the game, which is why some people (me included) get misty eyed about what could have been.
I think it just shows how massively overlooked the mental aspect of the game is.

People think they can teach him enough to turn being a fast, strong dribbler into some unworldly weapon but we've seen with our own eyes how ropey his delivery and finishing can be or even how he uses his main weapon in completely inappropriate areas at times which ends up jeopardizing his team.

Completing the circle with Traore is no less difficult than it would be with Wilson or Iwobi.
 
That’s simply not a certainty, though, is it. Just because he never found the right mentorship to truly foster his talent doesn’t mean such mentorship is plainly non-existent.
I don't buy that tbh. He was at La masia, and has been around a fair few top level clubs. I don't think it was the top level professional clubs that were the issue

The best results with Adams where when he had some in his ear telling him exactly where to go.
 
That’s simply not a certainty, though, is it. Just because he never found the right mentorship to truly foster his talent doesn’t mean such mentorship is plainly non-existent.
He's been at a variety of teams at the top level, both with club and country, with a wide range of styles of play and he's never really shown a massive improvement in the weakest parts of his game. There's always the tiniest hope it could be discovered until he's been coached by every individual in the world but given the top level education he's had it seems hugely unlikely.
 
I think it just shows how massively overlooked the mental aspect of the game is.

People think they can teach him enough to turn being a fast, strong dribbler into some unworldly weapon but we've seen with our own eyes how ropey his delivery and finishing can be or even how he uses his main weapon in completely inappropriate areas at times which ends up jeopardizing his team.

Completing the circle with Traore is no less difficult than it would be with Wilson or Iwobi.
I'd argue Wilson & Iwobi would hurt a team more than traore

For me, it's the fact that traore played top flight football based purely on physical & dribbling attributes alone, and then wondering what he would have been like if he was an actual footballer.

I'm never going to wonder what glenn Murray would have been like with pace because that's boring :-)
 
I loved watching Adama. He'd get you off your seat and on occasion would do something incredible.

I never understood the anger towards him, but then I don't understand the anger towards someone like Hwang at the moment either.

I understood the anger towards Johnson or JOH or Claridge though, who were genuine cunts.
Like buying a lottery ticket but understanding probability. You knew he was most likely feck it up, but very very occasionally he didn't and that was magical
 
I'd argue Wilson & Iwobi would hurt a team more than traore

For me, it's the fact that traore played top flight football based purely on physical & dribbling attributes alone, and then wondering what he would have been like if he was an actual footballer.

I'm never going to wonder what glenn Murray would have been like with pace because that's boring :-)
I do find people like Murray and Lambert interesting though - both ended up being perfectly capable Premier League players in the twilight of their careers. You wonder if they'd had a bit more mobility about them earlier on would they have stood out more when English football was more blinkered to physical traits? Did the game just adapt to suit them better as they got older? Did they become more mentally astute as they matured and learn to maximize their strengths or did they just get lucky with the right managers at the right time to give them a prolonged purple patch?

There's still a fair bit of chance in a lot of top end football careers, finding that right combination of team mates and manager to provide the opportunity to shine. However with someone like Traore I think he's rolled the dice enough times to say he's probably not got the winning numbers in him.
 
But weirdly his arguable zenith was a game he played most of as a quasi-defender. 🤯

He'd been moved up front by the time he scored though :)

One of Lage's very rare good moves was to have him driving in from the left so that by default he ended up in central areas where he was more likely to do some damage. Soon abandoned that though and had him attacking corner flags again.
 
He'd been moved up front by the time he scored though :)

One of Lage's very rare good moves was to have him driving in from the left so that by default he ended up in central areas where he was more likely to do some damage. Soon abandoned that though and had him attacking corner flags again.
I’m no tactical genius but to have Traore do exactly what you’ve described would have terrified every CH in the league. The fact it was only ever done half a dozen times has always been a mystery to me
 
I do find people like Murray and Lambert interesting though - both ended up being perfectly capable Premier League players in the twilight of their careers. You wonder if they'd had a bit more mobility about them earlier on would they have stood out more when English football was more blinkered to physical traits? Did the game just adapt to suit them better as they got older? Did they become more mentally astute as they matured and learn to maximize their strengths or did they just get lucky with the right managers at the right time to give them a prolonged purple patch?

There's still a fair bit of chance in a lot of top end football careers, finding that right combination of team mates and manager to provide the opportunity to shine. However with someone like Traore I think he's rolled the dice enough times to say he's probably not got the winning numbers in him.
I’ve played with and against players that have had good professional careers and I have never really worked out why some did and others didn’t.
Years ago dedication and application seemed to be the common denominator but latterly that appears to play a lesser part with players with questionable attitude and hearts the size of a pea often ‘making it’.
If you’re good enough you’ll always be good enough but I suppose I do still like a Dan Burn (referencing the other thread) who appears to have got where he got on shear attitude alone.
 
He'd been moved up front by the time he scored though :)

One of Lage's very rare good moves was to have him driving in from the left so that by default he ended up in central areas where he was more likely to do some damage. Soon abandoned that though and had him attacking corner flags again.
The most promising of Traore false dawns, must have had more 1 on 1s in the first few games that season that the rest of his Wolves career to date. Looked like the message had finally got through that if he started running before he even had the ball then he was virtually unstoppable, if could've improved his finished then there was legs for something really exciting but then it all came crashing back to reality.
 
I’ve played with and against players that have had good professional careers and I have never really worked out why some did and others didn’t.
Years ago dedication and application seemed to be the common denominator but latterly that appears to play a lesser part with players with questionable attitude and hearts the size of a pea often ‘making it’.
If you’re good enough you’ll always be good enough but I suppose I do still like a Dan Burn (referencing the other thread) who appears to have got where he got on shear attitude alone.

Mentioned before that I played against Karl Henry as a kid. Not in a million years would you have picked him out as a pro let alone captain of a Premier League team.
 
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