Coronavirus

[Paddingtonwolf]

Looks to me like the scarecrow told Steve Baker to get fucked on the immediate lockdown end.

 

[Kenny]

"Every adult in the UK could receive both doses of a coronavirus vaccine by August or September "or maybe sooner if we need to", the head of the UK's Vaccine Taskforce Clive Dix has told Sky News"

I would say with this prediction they are expecting to be using the J&J Vaccine from around April.


J&J have also now submitted approval to the EU and should get it done next month. The EU have up to 400m doses of that on order so a game changer for them. The USA has 300m doses on order, of which 100m would be used by June/July. Could be looking at Vaccine Travel Passports becoming a thing from June/July if nations are vaccinating in such high numbers

 

[Tredman]

Funny, but also interesting - first time I’ve seen obesity as one of the criterias being vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1361959447971643392

 

[Tony Towner]

I guess it would be classed as an underlying health condition. It's about protecting people rather than judging them...not aimed at you Tredders

 

[Tredman]

Absolutely. It’s one of the biggest factors (if not the I think) of serious illness - certainly spurred me on to sort myself out.

 

[AndyWolves]

I think if you're over 40 BMI you do have something significantly "wrong" be it physical or psychological

 

[sycophantia]

Heard that a guy from my motorcycle club passed away from covid yesterday,
first person I've known personally that has died from it.......really brings it home

 

[Johnny75]

I think if you're over 40 BMI you do have something significantly "wrong" be it physical or psychological

BMI is a load of fucking horseshit. It doesn't factor in body type or muscle mass.

The Rock is clinically obese as are most rugby players and American football players. Just let that sink in.

 

[Del Woppio]

My Mrs' ex is built like The Rock, and his nickname is apparently "Donk" - and presumably not because he runs like Leander. Her mate told me once that "yeah but he's thick as shit and you've got a great personality" which is probably the lowest I've felt as a human being :lol:

 

[Del Woppio]

This overshare was brought to you in association with citalopram

 

[Tredman]

BMI is a load of fucking horseshit. It doesn't factor in body type or muscle mass.

The Rock is clinically obese as are most rugby players and American football players. Just let that sink in.

I spent a lot of time looking into this to convince myself that BMI was shit for me - unfortunately every other metric I found concurred with BMI's opinion of me too.

In the end I bought myself a smart scale which has been very useful with other key measurements.

 

[BillyDee]

My BMI at the start of the year was 30, so obese. But I'm 6'4 and I only had a bit of a gut and the merest hint of the start of some moobs. Definitely overweight (combination of lockdown and Christmas) and I've taken steps (lost over a stone) but far from obese.
I think it might be accurate if you're bang on average height, but the more you deviate from the average the less useful it is.

 

[Tredman]

I'm also 6'4.

 

[AndyWolves]

BMI is a load of fucking horseshit. It doesn't factor in body type or muscle mass.

The Rock is clinically obese as are most rugby players and American football players. Just let that sink in.

The majority of the population are not the rock, or rugby players or American football players. It's fine as an arbitrary measure. Like any other statistic it needs to be used in the right context.

But I disagree that it's a load of fucking horseshit

 

[Kenny]

This is an interesting one

"Prof Mark Woolhouse tells MPs there was not a single virus outbreak linked to crowded U.K. beaches last summer"

I find that hard to believe but they have access to data we never will, could at least open up people slightly mixing outside earlier in the lockdown easing though

 

[b3h]

BMI is a load of fucking horseshit. It doesn't factor in body type or muscle mass.

The Rock is clinically obese as are most rugby players and American football players. Just let that sink in.

A bit like alcohol usage

Couple a cans a night and you're an alcoholic

 

[Parkins left foot]

My BMI at the start of the year was 30, so obese. But I'm 6'4 and I only had a bit of a gut and the merest hint of the start of some moobs. Definitely overweight (combination of lockdown and Christmas) and I've taken steps (lost over a stone) but far from obese.
I think it might be accurate if you're bang on average height, but the more you deviate from the average the less useful it is.

Got my BMI down from nearly 30 to 23 over the last few years (& I'm not a rugby player or a wrestler so probably reasonably accurate). Nothing to do with Covid as it hadn't been invented then, but was getting too high a blood pressure.

Lost 3 stone & 3 ins off the waistline which will have done me a favour in the current situation.

 

[Johnny75]

The majority of the population are not the rock, or rugby players or American football players. It's fine as an arbitrary measure. Like any other statistic it needs to be used in the right context.

But I disagree that it's a load of fucking horseshit

No it's fucking horseshit, it's as arbitrary a measure as the weight on your scales. The only way to tell if you're obese is to look at the fat content of a human being.

BMI doesn't account for body shape, nor bone density, muscle mass or fat content. You can be bang on your weight according to your BMI but if you have a particularly fatty liver you're at more risk of death than an obese person.

 

[Tredman]

I think the point is its better than nothign for the average person who cannot measure any of those metrics. If someone with a BMI of 40 looks in the mirror and goes 'my bones are just dense, I'll be fine' then they are kidding themselves.

 

[AndyWolves]

No it's fucking horseshit, it's as arbitrary a measure as the weight on your scales. The only way to tell if you're obese is to look at the fat content of a human being.

BMI doesn't account for body shape, nor bone density, muscle mass or fat content. You can be bang on your weight according to your BMI but if you have a particularly fatty liver you're at more risk of death than an obese person.

It's not used as a precise tool, it's used as a very quick way of determining if someone is in a risk category or not related to their weight. For that it is a perfectly reasonable tool.

As I said, context is everything and it isn't a one stop shop diagnostic tool. Just because BMI won't tell you if you're at risk from having a fatty liver, high blood pressure or anything else doesn't make it useless.