Climate Change Debate

[MARKakaJIM]

So the climatologists view on human influenced climate change is only as strongly evidenced as religious belief? You're losing your edge chief.

 

[HAzelGroveWolf]

So the climatologists view on human influenced climate change is only as strongly evidenced as religious belief? You're losing your edge chief.

I was challenging your understanding. You would expect a 'climatolgist' to have some appreciation of mathematics and physics with the requisite ability to demonstrate some testable hypothesis. I've yet to encounter your mythical character, name someone who claims the title.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I was challenging your understanding. You would expect a 'climatolgist' to have some appreciation of mathematics and physics with the requisite ability to demonstrate some testable hypothesis. I've yet to encounter your mythical character, name someone who claims the title.

So you've got no time for anyone's opinion unless it can be tested and proven beyond doubt? You must have had some real beef with all those particle physicists who kept banging on about the Higgs Boson until they finally got round to making the super collider and putting it all to the test eh?

 

[Alan]

Indeed. Such as the point made by 97% of scientists, expressed across vast swathes of peer reviewed papers, yes?

We're more or less on the same side, Vis, but I really do think that the 97% thing has been picked apart enough to not be a reliable safety net in this argument.

 

[visage]

I hope he enjoys his pointlessly higher electricity bill. Though no doubt he'll claim it on expenses.....

 

[HAzelGroveWolf]

So you've got no time for anyone's opinion unless it can be tested and proven beyond doubt? You must have had some real beef with all those particle physicists who kept banging on about the Higgs Boson until they finally got round to making the super collider and putting it all to the test eh?

I think your reference to particle physics is a good example of where genuine debate and empirical measurement work well, the same cannot be said about the climate scare.

 

[HAzelGroveWolf]

We're more or less on the same side, Vis, but I really do think that the 97% thing has been picked apart enough to not be a reliable safety net in this argument.

Thanks for your honesty.

 

[HAzelGroveWolf]

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[MARKakaJIM]

I think your reference to particle physics is a good example of where genuine debate and empirical measurement work well, the same cannot be said about the climate scare.

Did you doubt the physicists up until that famous day in Switzerland then? No point believing their theories until they can back it up with hard evidence.

 

[Alan]

On a similar note, reading through physics textbooks from before the discovery of electrons is absolutely hysterical.

 

[HAzelGroveWolf]

Did you doubt the physicists up until that famous day in Switzerland then? No point believing their theories until they can back it up with hard evidence.

You are comparing apples with oranges, the climate speculators are not about to change tack if empirical evidence suggests they should. BTW given that my products are built on quantum physics I think you might have to accept my views as valid, flawed or otherwise.

 

[Alan]

You are comparing apples with oranges, the climate speculators are not about to change tack if empirical evidence suggests they should.

Convenient then since empirical evidence is on their side.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

You are comparing apples with oranges, the climate speculators are not about to change tack if empirical evidence suggests they should. BTW given that my products are built on quantum physics I think you might have to accept my views as valid, flawed or otherwise.

Ironic that you're telling me to accept your views due to your qualifications yet steadfastly refuse to accept others opinions on a subject in which their qualifications heavily outweigh yours.

You're such a broken record.

 

[HAzelGroveWolf]

Convenient then since empirical evidence is on their side.

Temperatures pretty much flat for 20 years.
No detectable increase in extreme weather events, you should know about the rarity of hurricane land fall since Katrina.
Nobody comes close to extracting the man made signal from the noise.

 

[The Bear]

Temperatures pretty much flat for 20 years.
No detectable increase in extreme weather events.

Sorry but both of those statements are utter bollocks.

 

[Alan]

Temperatures pretty much flat for 20 years.
No detectable increase in extreme weather events, you should know about the rarity of hurricane land fall since Katrina.
Nobody comes close to extracting the man made signal from the noise.

20 years and 8 years are barely blinks in terms of climatology and are certainly not significant enough time periods with which to make the judgement that there is or isn't global warming.

 

[HAzelGroveWolf]

Ironic that you're telling me to accept your views due to your qualifications yet steadfastly refuse to accept others opinions on a subject in which their qualifications heavily outweigh yours.

You're such a broken record.

Please reference the better qualified. I'm sure to find counter arguements that are not mine. You appeal to authority without knowledge of the veracity of your chosen authority.

 

[Tredman]

Ironic that you're telling me to accept your views due to your qualifications yet steadfastly refuse to accept others opinions on a subject in which their qualifications heavily outweigh yours.

You're such a broken record.

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[MARKakaJIM]

Please reference the better qualified. I'm sure to find counter arguements that are not mine. You appeal to authority without knowledge of the veracity of your chosen authority.

Soooooo....

You're right and they're wrong?

You're the man!

 

[HAzelGroveWolf]

20 years and 8 years are barely blinks in terms of climatology and are certainly not significant enough time periods with which to make the judgement that there is or isn't global warming.

I know, which is the flaw in the catastophist mind. Push the doom out further and further so verification is impossible. There are many decadal, centenial and millennial cycles that have been identified, we cannot influence them. In any case any action we take cannot be proven beneficial or otherwise, genuine identifiable pollution we can, cost effectively too. Shipping stuff around the world might need a review.
A MOSFET die manufactured in Hazel Grove by NXP (I don't work for them) might do a couple of laps of the globe before winding up in the hands of a consumer.