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Climate Change Debate

Hereford Wolf said:
I haven't contributed to this thread at all, but I read it quite regularly.

There is one poster on here who comes over as a big headed, peusdo intellectual, closed minded buffoon.

Who could it be?
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As it is likely that you are writing about me - I find it necessary to be a little bloody minded on this subject because tbe mainstream view needs some correction given the evidence. For that matter you might also direct the same at Visage. I'm not really in my comfort zone writing as I have but I feel compeled to, given the political non-solutions.
 
I honestly can't understand how you can see that the

  • United Nations IPCC
  • American Meteorological Society
  • NOAA
  • US National Academy of Sciences
  • NASA
  • US EPA
  • American Geophysical Union
  • National Center for Atmospheric Research
  • Royal Society of the UK
  • Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
  • Science Council of Japan
  • Russian Academy of Science
  • Brazilian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Society of Canada
  • Chinese Academy of Sciences
  • French Academy of Sciences
  • German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
  • Indian National Science Academy
  • Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei
  • Australian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
  • Caribbean Academy of Sciences
  • Indonesian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Irish Academy
  • Academy of Sciences Malaysia
  • Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
  • Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

ALL credit human action with modern climate change, and somehow you think they are all wrong.
 
Alan USA said:
I honestly can't understand how you can see that the

  • United Nations IPCC
  • American Meteorological Society
  • NOAA
  • US National Academy of Sciences
  • NASA
  • US EPA
  • American Geophysical Union
  • National Center for Atmospheric Research
  • Royal Society of the UK
  • Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
  • Science Council of Japan
  • Russian Academy of Science
  • Brazilian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Society of Canada
  • Chinese Academy of Sciences
  • French Academy of Sciences
  • German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
  • Indian National Science Academy
  • Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei
  • Australian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
  • Caribbean Academy of Sciences
  • Indonesian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Irish Academy
  • Academy of Sciences Malaysia
  • Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
  • Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

ALL credit human action with modern climate change, and somehow you think they are all wrong.
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I can.
 
Alright, be coy then.
 
I'm not being coy, but fuck me it's so obvious I'm surprised that you even composed that post.
 
Alan USA said:
Care to fill me in on the secret?
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It's less to do with the societies you've listed and more to do with the person who's doubting.

Fair play to HGW for standing up for his beliefs in the face of some pretty damning evidence. I'm a product developer too, dealing with energy conservation, but only in impact (Newton's first 3 laws for those that know them).

And I freely admit to knowing absolutely nothing about climate change but it does fascinate me.
 
Johnny75 said:
It's less to do with the societies you've listed and more to do with the person who's doubting.
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See, this wouldn't have been hard for Leeds to say, surely.
 
Alan USA said:
I honestly can't understand how you can see that the

  • United Nations IPCC
  • American Meteorological Society
  • NOAA
  • US National Academy of Sciences
  • NASA
  • US EPA
  • American Geophysical Union
  • National Center for Atmospheric Research
  • Royal Society of the UK
  • Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
  • Science Council of Japan
  • Russian Academy of Science
  • Brazilian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Society of Canada
  • Chinese Academy of Sciences
  • French Academy of Sciences
  • German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
  • Indian National Science Academy
  • Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei
  • Australian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
  • Caribbean Academy of Sciences
  • Indonesian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Irish Academy
  • Academy of Sciences Malaysia
  • Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
  • Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

ALL credit human action with modern climate change, and somehow you think they are all wrong.
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I think I pointed out yesterday that the debate is about climate sensitivity. The positions of those institutions and their members are likely varied. Not on that list is the Institution of Engineering and Technology which generally takes a advisory stance, genuine debate still exists within the organisation.
 
Well if we're considering groups in unrelated disciplines, has anyone asked the Women's Institute what they think?
 
Visage said:
Well if we're considering groups in unrelated disciplines, has anyone asked the Women's Institute what they think?
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Where do you think you get the 'solutions'? Unrelated my arse. By the same token you can tell Greenpeace, WWF and FoE to butt out.
 
Why do we need solutions if man-made climate change isnt happening?
 
Visage said:
Why do we need solutions if man-made climate change isnt happening?
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Note my use of single quotes. Energy efficiency and technical elegance are desirable whatever your position for a whole host of reasons. Acheiving that though is not through prescriptive political decree. What we need are technologies that have identifiable merit, all acheivable within decades.
 
Alan USA said:
I honestly can't understand how you can see that the

  • United Nations IPCC
  • American Meteorological Society
  • NOAA
  • US National Academy of Sciences
  • NASA
  • US EPA
  • American Geophysical Union
  • National Center for Atmospheric Research
  • Royal Society of the UK
  • Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
  • Science Council of Japan
  • Russian Academy of Science
  • Brazilian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Society of Canada
  • Chinese Academy of Sciences
  • French Academy of Sciences
  • German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
  • Indian National Science Academy
  • Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei
  • Australian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
  • Caribbean Academy of Sciences
  • Indonesian Academy of Sciences
  • Royal Irish Academy
  • Academy of Sciences Malaysia
  • Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
  • Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

ALL credit human action with modern climate change, and somehow you think they are all wrong.
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Also a good few of those have been challenged by their own membership, not least the Royal Society.
 
Visage said:
We don't have decades.
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There is nothing in place now that can acheive what YOU want to acheive. India and China's emissions will increase mostly because the West has pushed its emissions over there. Remember that most of that is real pollution related to coal burning, something Germany isn't averse to either.
 
Your message is all over the shop - you've repeatedly said that CO2 is just a trace element, yet now you're saying we should be concerned about how much of it India and China are emitting?

SO lets see if you can give a simple answer to a simple question: Do atmospheric CO2 levels affect global temperature or not?
 
Thankfully for mankind, the Institution of Engineering and Technology seems to have signed up to the consensus too. So much so that they're doing all they can to help out:

http://www.theiet.org/policy/collaboration/etf/infrastructure.cfm
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ata/file/183536/infrastructure-rae-report.pdf

The Institution of Mechanical Engineers seems to be on board too - http://www.imeche.org/knowledge/the...-change/mitigation-adaptation-geo-engineering

And here's one of those mythical beasts, rarer than unicorns, a climatologist - http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/about-the-department/people/academic-staff/mark-maslin

And here's the same "climatologist" (yeah, like that's a real thing!) trying to talk sense into reticent engineers - http://eandt.theiet.org/magazine/2014/04/interview-mark-maslin.cfm


And yes, quiet day.
 
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