Boris at it again and the contest to replace the lying c***

[PuntsWolf]

Right. Easy as that. Coz the teachers have got nothing else to do between then and now!

My mates a secondary school teacher and tells me he’s been sitting on his arse for 6 months on full pay? I don’t know about everyone else.

Even if he has had work to do it’s less than going in full time and the extra stuff on top surely?

I know how it was when I did A levels and how predicted grades were nothing like what it was in reality. People missed out on places at uni for Law and Medicine because they didn’t get the grades and people weren’t able to apply because they weren’t predicted enough so when they got the grades took a gap year and reapplied.

So the system isn’t going to be fair. Based on my examples people will get in who shouldn’t and people will miss out who shouldn’t.

Our exams were modular so moving into the summer exams we already had 75% of the course marked. Obviously they changed that to one big assessment which means they literally have nothing to base it off. Like I said, our predicted grades were inaccurate end of first year and we already had 50% of the course to base it off.

I’m sure 18 year olds can go home and teach themselves, this is literally what they will have to do at uni in a few months time. And by March they should have covered the syllabus anyway.

Obviously it’s a total disaster which you can’t plan for. But from my experience I know how much of an effect predicted grades would have on mine and my friends life, and now is going to even worse with not even modular assessment to work off.

 

[darlowolf64]

My mates a secondary school teacher and tells me he’s been sitting on his arse for 6 months on full pay? I don’t know about everyone else.

Even if he has had work to do it’s less than going in full time and the extra stuff on top surely?

I know how it was when I did A levels and how predicted grades were nothing like what it was in reality. People missed out on places at uni for Law and Medicine because they didn’t get the grades and people weren’t able to apply because they weren’t predicted enough so when they got the grades took a gap year and reapplied.

So the system isn’t going to be fair. Based on my examples people will get in who shouldn’t and people will miss out who shouldn’t.

Our exams were modular so moving into the summer exams we already had 75% of the course marked. Obviously they changed that to one big assessment which means they literally have nothing to base it off. Like I said, our predicted grades were inaccurate end of first year and we already had 50% of the course to base it off.

I’m sure 18 year olds can go home and teach themselves, this is literally what they will have to do at uni in a few months time. And by March they should have covered the syllabus anyway.

Obviously it’s a total disaster which you can’t plan for. But from my experience I know how much of an effect predicted grades would have on mine and my friends life, and now is going to even worse with not even modular assessment to work off.

Yeah the school that my youngest goes to has teachers like that. A couple have run “Teams lessons” and kept the students up to date with their work and kept them interested while a number have done nothing but send an email link to some work, bite size and the like and sat back taking their free money (or that’s how it feels to Alfie) he does his A Levels next year and feels a little let down by a couple of his teachers

 

[machin05]

Sounds like your mate is a shit teacher, tbf :icon_lol:

My point was that schools are expected to be fully open from September. Teachers won't be able to spend any time on doing what they have missed with last year's cohorts. Just not possible.

 

[Sniffer]

Space might be an issue too.

 

[PuntsWolf]

Sounds like your mate is a shit teacher, tbf :icon_lol:

My point was that schools are expected to be fully open from September. Teachers won't be able to spend any time on doing what they have missed with last year's cohorts. Just not possible.

It’s Thomas Telford, I’m sure some stuff has been done. But not a 9 hour day like normal.

I’m not expecting teachers to do anything though. I’m expecting 18 year olds to revise and read a text book like
I did and then take an exam. Basically like Study leave was.

If the alternative is accept my grades and potentially miss out on a life changing career path then I know what I’d do/did.

 

[machin05]

That's not how it works anymore, fam.

 

[darlowolf64]

Alfie is doing Maths, Advanced Maths and Physics at A Level. The Physics teacher kept his learning going, the Advanced Maths teacher ran teams meeting lessons for every lesson he missed while the Maths teacher sent links form stuff that was, basically, like asking him to do Year 7 stuff in his mind.
He was flying with the advanced maths yet the other teacher was providing next to nothing and so he lost interest. It was mind numbingly rubbish for him, no challenge at all

 

[PuntsWolf]

That's not how it works anymore, fam.

Not how what works?

 

[machin05]

Not how what works?

"I’m expecting 18 year olds to revise and read a text book like I did and then take an exam."

 

[PuntsWolf]

"I’m expecting 18 year olds to revise and read a text book like I did and then take an exam."

Im 29, I was in that position 10 years ago. What’s drastically changed in that time?

Like I said, when the alternative is missing out if I wasn’t happy with my predicted grades, I think I’d maybe try just a little bit if spoon feeding wasn’t available.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Mini did better than we hoped. Not great but he has missed so much school even before COVID that getting three passes was very creditable.

None of the above changes the fact that super-Gav has overseen a complete shit show and should be sacked.

 

[Tony Towner]

39% got lower than expected grades 3% were two grades lower.

I think TT said one of his kids is getting results today or GCSEs, I really hope they haven't/don't get fucked over.

The scary thing is they can fuck this up even more with the GCSE's.

Thanks for thinking of her Lincs, it's GCSE's so next week. The provisional thing that pisses me off is that we had 2 choices of school, the one which at the time had the best state results in Derby and the other which had more of a pastoral approach, we chose the latter as we felt it suited our daughter better and she'd thrive more being upper stream there than mid stream at the other one. Until now I think that decision has paid off however with past school performance seeming to be the driving metric she could now be penalised.

To Punts' point about taking them in the Autumn, schools stopped with Year 11 and 13 in March, they've done nothing for 5 months. There was an original assurance that they would be treated fairly it's only in the last week that it's transpired that's not the case. Now using my daughter as an example in subjects she excels in she could probably get back to a similar level with 6/8 weeks of cramming, but in something like Spanish where she was predicted to get a 5, there's no way she'd get back to the level she was at, whilst also doing her A Levels by just looking at past work and maybe the odd after school lesson.

There isn't an ideal solution, predicted grades tend to be close to best case so don't take into account those who didn't put in the work in the run up or had a nightmare on the day, but letting an algorithm work out performance based on past school performance and what she did at SATs when she was 10 is grossly unfair. Finally C4 news tonight said predicted grades from class sizes of 15 or less haven't been amended, so the private schools have been looked after...

 

[PuntsWolf]

To Punts' point about taking them in the Autumn, schools stopped with Year 11 and 13 in March, they've done nothing for 5 months. There was an original assurance that they would be treated fairly it's only in the last week that it's transpired that's not the case. Now using my daughter as an example in subjects she excels in she could probably get back to a similar level with 6/8 weeks of cramming, but in something like Spanish where she was predicted to get a 5, there's no way she'd get back to the level she was at, whilst also doing her A Levels by just looking at past work and maybe the odd after school lesson.

I don’t think the same works for GCSE’s, no. For one I don’t think students are mature enough to work at that age , I certainly wasn’t and just turned up. Now I did OK but didn’t do as well as I should have done/predicted. But as long as I did enough to do A levels then what happened at GCSE level is broadly irrelevant and definitely is now.

There’s also the fact that it’s 12-16 subject areas and not just 3 or 4 so workload would be greatly increased.

Obviously for people not going into further education GCSEs are important but if people are doing A levels from them then they can rectify the situation. Whereas someone not getting into Uni because of the school they went to Id say is more of an issue.

 

[Tony Towner]

The English baccalaureate is now a thing though which involves getting a 5 and above in English, Maths, 2 x sciences, History or Geography and a Language. This is looked at by Universities aswell as A Levels so GCSE's still have a relevance beyond just stopping on

 

[PuntsWolf]

The English baccalaureate is now a thing though which involves getting a 5 and above in English, Maths, 2 x sciences, History or Geography and a Language. This is looked at by Universities aswell as A Levels so GCSE's still have a relevance beyond just stopping on

Whats a 5? Equivalent of a C? Certainly from my time at school if you were getting lower than a C in core subjects then you probably wouldn’t be going down the further education route anyway (in your classic subjects) and maybe would do an apprenticeship or something more vocational.

Obviously exams, education, academia etc. Aren’t for everyone.

 

[Tony Towner]

Whats a 5? Equivalent of a C? Certainly from my time at school if you were getting lower than a C in core subjects then you probably wouldn’t be going down the further education route anyway (in your classic subjects) and maybe would do an apprenticeship or something more vocational.

Obviously exams, education, academia etc. Aren’t for everyone.

9 A**
8 A*
7 A
6 B
5 C+
4 C -
3 D+
2 D-
1 E

The numbers were supposed to move away from the below a C became a failure culture, but it's already become a 5 and too many A*, but 9 is already what you are targeting

I would have been penalised if the EB existed when I was 16 decent at the social studies subjects and English, very average at Science and quite frankly awful at French

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I only managed a D for English and didn't even study another language so I'd have had no hope!

 

[Templeton Peck]

Should have just used teacher predicted grades. Not rocket science. I didn't think I could loathe this govt any more than I already do but they've done it again.

 

[Derby Wolf]

For an additional kicker. It will cost pupils/parents £111 per subject to appeal grades. Fuck poor kids and deny them any route of redress. £186 if it goes to a hearing. Cunts.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I certainly am triple proud of my esteemed MP at the moment.

I should picket his office, the cunt.