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Boris at it again and the contest to replace the lying c***

It's like signing Steve Corica then being shocked that he's a bit lightweight.
 
One thing though, he is protected at the moment as he almost died (although he didn't, if the stuff put in the media was true...he was seriously ill but not close to death).

I presume when he returns to work (Mon-Fri 10.30am - 4.30pm) he will start the lifting of the lockdown...the returning hero if you will. I do feel bad even second guessing about how ill he was but something doesn't feel right about the situation to me. Maybe the lockdown has turned me into a tin foil hat wearing freak (adding tin foil hat wearing to my normal freakiness)
 
Whitty and Vallance are being lined up to be thrown under the £350m NHS bus.
 
Kenny said:
One thing though, he is protected at the moment as he almost died (although he didn't, if the stuff put in the media was true...he was seriously ill but not close to death).

I presume when he returns to work (Mon-Fri 10.30am - 4.30pm) he will start the lifting of the lockdown...the returning hero if you will. I do feel bad even second guessing about how ill he was but something doesn't feel right about the situation to me. Maybe the lockdown has turned me into a tin foil hat wearing freak (adding tin foil hat wearing to my normal freakiness)
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He wasn't ever ICU ill, I said so at the time. I'm not quite at the it was exaggerated to divert media attention stage, although it undoubtedly did
 
For what it's worth, while he was never on a ventilator, I have it on good authority that the severity of his symptoms was downplayed throughout - rumours it was exaggerated are wide of the mark. There's a reason he's going to be recuperating out of the public eye at Chequers for quite some time yet.
 
proslo said:
For what it's worth, while he was never on a ventilator, I have it on good authority that the severity of his symptoms was downplayed throughout - rumours it was exaggerated are wide of the mark. There's a reason he's going to be recuperating out of the public eye at Chequers for quite some time yet.
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For me, they had to be 100% honest the moment he was took to Hospital. It is clear they were hiding something, so going for the line they did and the constant "in good spirits" updates (oddest one from Raab who then said he hadn't spoken to the PM for days). By doing that all options are open for the public to add their own spin to it. It seems this Government thinks the Nation has the mental age of a 7 year old and can't handle shit like this
 
proslo said:
For what it's worth, while he was never on a ventilator, I have it on good authority that the severity of his symptoms was downplayed throughout - rumours it was exaggerated are wide of the mark. There's a reason he's going to be recuperating out of the public eye at Chequers for quite some time yet.
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The problem is they lie all the time (often for no real reason) and so you end up with silly messages that don't make sense.

There's no way he was doing as well as they were saying before he went to hospital - they even had "him" tweeting stuff around an hour before he was admitted. Then they try to make out that he's sitting up in bed, working away in the hospital and generally having a jolly good time. No he wasn't FFS!

And now they have to at least not outright dispel the notion that he was close to death to kind of rectify the balance.

As I said at the time, it was very 1980s USSR. This is the problem when you have power so deeply centralised and absolutely no-one capable of taking the reins, as you got rid of anyone good and just appointed people who'll agree with whatever you say.
 
Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree - it really is proper 1980s Soviet Union-style stuff, giving updates like "he's capable of communicating" and acting like that isn't patronising. You don't just have to prepare the public for the shock of a major national leader dying in a situation like this, you also need to be clear about who's in charge, both to the public and to yourselves as a functioning government.

It's the idea that it was all cooked up as some kind of propaganda scheme to boost his approval ratings or whatever that's the problem. It's just about the opposite of what happened, from what I've heard.
 
Oh no, I don't believe that.

That said I do doubt that someone so fundamentally lazy that even in full health, he won't read more than two sheets of A4, and someone so concerned with himself rather than anyone or anything else, will be absolutely desperate to get back to work in the middle of an international crisis. He's got a free pass there for a while, no-one is going to be scrutinising the actual situation too much. Then he's got paternity leave for his 62nd child. Then it's Parliamentary recess (again). Let someone else take the heat.

He's been PM for nine months, of that I think he's done one full month in Parliament so far...
 
The specific meaning of “public health risk” refers to the risk there is to the public at precisely that point. The risk was also higher than it had been before - two days earlier it had been increased “Very Low” to “Low” in line with clinical guidance from the Chief Medical Officer.

what a total crock of shit
 
Claim - Suggestion that ‘lack of grip’ had the knock-on effect of the national lockdown being introduced days or even weeks too late, causing many thousands more unnecessary deaths.

Response - The government started to act as soon as it was alerted to a potential outbreak. Mr Hancock was first alerted to Covid 19 on 3 January and spoke to Departmental officials on 6th Jan before receiving written advice from the UK Health Security Team. He brought the issue to the attention of the Prime Minister and they discussed Covid 19 on 7 January.

So allowing pubs and restaurants to stay open for an extra week had no effect on the spread of the disease. Banging on about what happened in January when the suggestion was about what was going on in March is beyond me. The evidence from Spain and Italy was there for all to see.
 
Claim - By the time the Prime Minister chaired a COBR meeting on March 2 ‘the virus had sneaked into our airports, our trains, our workplaces and our homes. Britain was on course for one of the worst infections of the most insidious virus to have hit the world in a century.'

Response - This virus has hit countries across the world. It is ridiculous to suggest that coronavirus only reached the UK because the Health Secretary and not the PM chaired a COBR meeting.

Do they really think that is what the article is suggesting?
 
Claim - 'Failure of leadership' by anonymous senior advisor to Downing Street.

Response - The Prime Minister has been at the helm of the Government response to Covid 19, providing the leadership to steer his Ministerial team through a hugely challenging period for the whole nation. This anonymous source is variously described as a ‘senior adviser to Downing Street’ and a ‘senior Downing Street adviser’. The two things are not the same. One suggests an adviser employed by the government in No10. The other someone who provides ad hoc advice. Which is it?

Does it matter?
 
Tony Towner said:
Official Response to the ST article. What stands out to me is the failure to address the state of NHS preparedness due to austerity and anything post Feb 21st.

https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2020/04/19/response-to-sunday-times-insight-article/
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Yes, this is the key problem for the government. There was uncertainty in many different areas at first, right around the world, and there's been a tendency among defenders of the government to point to that uncertainty up until mid-Feb as evidence that their actions were rational and proportionate. But there's now a fairly stark divide between those governments which acted promptly from mid-Feb onwards in terms of putting plans into action, and those which left things too late, and there's little in this "rebuttal" that actually addresses the fact that, for example, PPE suppliers with stock have been trying and failing to find someone in government who can help them get that stock to hospitals which need it—let alone why the lockdown was implemented so late, in dribs and drabs.

It's also not even that good a defence to point to the uncertainty of Jan-Feb, either. The editor of the Lancet, for example, has pointed out on Twitter today that his comments which the government cites were specifically about trying to avoid mass panic, and were within the context of a wider discussion about the growing need to prepare for the worst.

This, and the similarly weak rebuttal to the ventilators article in the FT, just makes the government look rattled. It also commits them to a more concrete version of events than already existed, which could make later revisions much harder in the circumstances of, say, an inquiry...
 
Johnson is not a leader he was selected to deliver Brexit in a jolly style. Rory Stewart rather more credible and pragmatic would have been a better leader.

Having said that politicising recent events seems a bit crass. Okay, any risk assessement done since 2016 has been an abject failure in terms of equipment but the way they have organised the front line and facilitated extra beds is commendable. The experts wheeled out on the nightly reports have been exemplarary.

The failure to lockdown earlier has been widespread all across Europe but then again it is a distinct possibility the virus had been circulating since December so in effect it would have been too late and somewhat reflects the massive failure to contain. When it was pointed out 80% carry no or mild symptoms herd immunity was potentially viable IF the 20% were protected. This didn't happen. There was no attempt to even facilitate this.
 
Boris is back and now working full time.

Not doing today's presser and may miss PMQ's but it is full time.
 
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