Boris at it again and the contest to replace the lying c***

[Papper]

Taking the fucking Express as your source might be just a tiny bit fucking bollocks.

The information is factual so I could have cited it from various places. The ECHR is failing -

" Mr Muižnieks said: “Our work is based on cooperation and good faith. When you don’t have that, it’s very difficult to have an impact. We kind of lack the tools to help countries that don’t want to be helped.” "Some experts see the court’s authority and standing as slowly crumbling away as countries continue to defy its rulings."


What is the 'catch' of having a UK Bill of Rights or does everything on this planet have to be centralised to be valid / take effect? If our liberties and rights (equality etc) are entwined in UK law and there is a mechanism to change or repeal law and vote governments out then what is the problem? I know May had a hissy because she couldn't deport Qatada but why shouldn't he have been deported earlier?

 

[Papper]

This area is blue. Completely blue. A labour vote is lost. Heidi has been fine as an mp if a little politically naive. I have to ask myself is brexit worth Boris and the one Percenter's? The answer is no. No matter how strongly I wanted to leave in 2016 can it justify the leach to the right that it would entail. Brexit may be the burning issue but stopping this self serving bunch and providing them with a bloody nose is probably more important.

Thank you for the advice.

Voting Johnson is a price worth paying to Brexit because the buck then stops at Westminster. They are wholly accountable. Do you seriously think any party in this election is going to have a drastic enlightening short term effect on your life? I read most of it and it's hilarious - no wonder people have given up on Westminster. The EU serves corporations not people.

 

[Johnny75]

That was a Brexit Party Political Broadcast.

Thanks Papper, good to know you've confirmed everything I know about the Brexit Party followers is true.

 

[Tony Towner]

This area is blue. Completely blue. A labour vote is lost. Heidi has been fine as an mp if a little politically naive.

She's not standing Cyber

 

[Papper]

It’s taken me some time to conclude that there should be a second referendum. I have always held the opinion that Parliament was responsible for the EU referendum and Parliament should have been responsible for acting on it. The only withdrawal agreement that should ever have been put through Parliament was one that could secure a majority and not one that tried to protect the vested interests of the Conservative Party. Theresa May should have called an election months ago when it became clear she had no mandate but again the vested interests of the Conservative Party kicked in.

We had a second referendum earlier this year and Brexit were returned heavily. If treated as a single issue ( The Labour Party weren't sure whether they were IN or OUT) then the result of the original referendum was rubber stamped quite emphatically. Westminster did not reflect the population, As Cox said ' This Parliament is dead '. It was remain while the majority of the electorate were leave. May's Treaty was not Brexit and NO Deal was a ridiculous course but I suppose all comes to down to that old chestnut of ' Did we know what we were voting for ' ie more subjectivity in order to overturn the vote.

 

[Papper]

That was a Brexit Party Political Broadcast.

Thanks Papper, good to know you've confirmed everything I know about the Brexit Party followers is true.

Don't tell me I think can guess - Leavers are cunts, vagabonds, racists, xenophobes, retarded, bigoted .....

Hey that's fine Johnny. No, seriously ...

 

[Johnny75]

Don't tell me I think can guess - Leavers are cunts, racists, xenophobes, bigoted ..

Nope, just Brexit Party members in my experience.

I have edited your response as the word 'retards' can cause offence. Again this says a lot about you as a person.

 

[Johnny75]

We had a second referendum earlier this year and Brexit were returned heavily. If treated as a single issue ( The Labour Party weren't sure whether they were IN or OUT) then the result of the original referendum was rubber stamped quite emphatically. Westminster did not reflect the population, As Cox said ' This Parliament is dead '. It was remain while the majority of the electorate were leave. May's Treaty was not Brexit and NO Deal was a ridiculous course but I suppose all comes to down to that old chestnut of ' Did we know what we were voting for ' ie more subjectivity in order to overturn the vote.

We had a second referendum? Was it held in your house just for you?

 

[Tony Towner]

We had a second referendum earlier this year and Brexit were returned heavily. If treated as a single issue ( The Labour Party weren't sure whether they were IN or OUT) then the result of the original referendum was rubber stamped quite emphatically. Westminster did not reflect the population, As Cox said ' This Parliament is dead '. It was remain while the majority of the electorate were leave. May's Treaty was not Brexit and NO Deal was a ridiculous course but I suppose all comes to down to that old chestnut of ' Did we know what we were voting for ' ie more subjectivity in order to overturn the vote.

Trying to claim legitimacy on an election which had a 37% turnout is a stretch to say the least

 

[Papper]

Trying to claim legitimacy on an election which had a 37% turnout is a stretch to say the least

So that leaves most elections this country has had in recent decades as illegitimate. If fact why even bother letting people have a vote?

 

[Papper]

Nope, just Brexit Party members in my experience.

I have edited your response as the word 'retards' can cause offence. Again this says a lot about you as a person.

Thanks for editing that Johnny. It was certainly offensive to me when I was called it because it goes to show the hatred that exists in some quarters purely because somebody has an opposing opinion.

 

[Tony Towner]

So that leaves most elections this country has had in recent decades as illegitimate. If fact why even bother letting people have a vote?

EU Referendum turnout - 72%
EU Election turnout which had no impact on whether we were leaving - 37%.

If you believe you can use the one to validate the other then I'll leave you to your own myopic viewpoint.

 

[Papper]

EU Referendum turnout - 72%
EU Election turnout which had no impact on whether we were leaving - 37%.

If you believe you can use the one to validate the other then I'll leave you to your own myopic viewpoint.

Out of interest what should a percentage vote be for it to be valid?

 

[Johnny75]

Thanks for editing that Johnny. It was certainly offensive to me when I was called it because it goes to show the hatred that exists in some quarters purely because somebody has an opposing opinion.

Then why use the term if you know it was offensive?

Nobody says having an opposing viewpoint is terrible but the constant belligerence that you're right and everybody else is wrong is tedious. Especially when it's the same thing posted over and over again.

 

[Johnny75]

Out of interest what should a percentage vote be for it to be valid?

It wasn't a second referendum was it?

 

[Papper]

Then why use the term if you know it was offensive?

Nobody says having an opposing viewpoint is terrible but the constant belligerence that you're right and everybody else is wrong is tedious. Especially when it's the same thing posted over and over again.

I didn't use the term I was merely repeating what I had been called. I have never said I am right I am merely espousing my views - much like you. Nobody is qualified to judge either you or me ...

 

[Papper]

It wasn't a second referendum was it?

Essentially No (if you want to split hairs) but on a single issue the voting pattern mirrored that of the referendum (allowing as Tony said for a lower turnout).

What percentage vote in an election is valid?

If Johnson polls less than half of those that are qualified to vote is his tenure legitimate?

 

[Johnny75]

We know your views you keep putting them down over and over again. I get you don't like the EU, you think the referendum is biding and all politicians are useless (they're not) and you would like a resource economy (never happening).

Do you need to keep repeating those views?

 

[Johnny75]

Essentially No (if you want to split hairs) but on a single issue the voting pattern mirrored that of the referendum (allowing as Tony said for a lower turnout).

What percentage vote in an election is valid?

If Johnson polls less than half of those that are qualified to vote is his tenure legitimate?

So we haven't had a second referendum. Good to know.

 

[Papper]

We know your views you keep putting them down over and over again. I get you don't like the EU, you think the referendum is biding and all politicians are useless (they're not) and you would like a resource economy (never happening).

Do you need to keep repeating those views?

Well you keep repeating your views Johnny? You're a remainer and I am a leaver and much of our rhetoric is consistent and therefore repeatable. You are now reverting to type and telling me you are right and I am wrong - something you do repeatedly.