Boris at it again and the contest to replace the lying c***

[Tony Towner]

Why did he leave?

Cause he's a cunt, didn't want to be there and did the minimum he had to. Bannon hasn't understood the difference between a President voted separately and a Prime Minister as head of a Party and accountable to a Parliament. The playbook can't be the same

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Go to the polls now and Farages mob get seats. Plenty of them. TheONLY hope is that labour get a grip or its coalition time. Can you imagine bojo and Nige? That is where we are heading and I called that yonks ago.

 

[Templeton Peck]

Go to the polls now and Farages mob get seats. Plenty of them. TheONLY hope is that labour get a grip or its coalition time. Can you imagine bojo and Nige? That is where we are heading and I called that yonks ago.

If he doesn't deliver on the 31st Farage has said he can expect 'nothing but opposition' from the Brexit party. This is an existential problem for the Conservatives now. Even if Boris made a deal with Farage the Brexit party would only stand down for no deal Tories. Of the Fib Dems most winnable 50 seats 38 are currently Tory. He's fighting on both fronts.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Farage’s mob split the leave vote more like.

 

[Tony Towner]

I don't think Farage's lot take too many votes from a Johnson lead Tory Party. A Corbyn lead Labour one on the other hand...

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Hmmm - they took an enormous zero seats in the last general election under their previous guise.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Plus if the opposition waits until after Johnson is legally forced to get the extension he is damaged goods.

 

[SLA]

Plus if the opposition waits until after Johnson is legally forced to get the extension he is damaged goods.

I think that ship has sailed. Whatever the opposition do now will be portrayed as thwarting the will of the people. Those who support Johnson now will continue to do so regardless of what happens. He could literally bugger Her Majesty and come out ahead in the eyes (I won't say minds) of what can now be called "his base" - exactly the same as Trump. Everything up to the General Election is theatre, and then it's a case of waiting to see if the outraged leave constituency is as strong as they think it is.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Or indeed if the frustrated remain constituency is as motivated as you and I hope it is.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

The Conservatives will get the most votes at the next election. I don't think they will win a majority but they will be the ones trying to form a government. It is unfortunate that we don't have a more proportionate voting system that could bring about a decent coalition.

Surely Corbyn will have to go if he fails to beat both May & Johnson? A competent Labour with an electable leader should be walking any election at this point so if Corbyn can't win now then he never will.

 

[SLA]

Or indeed if the frustrated remain constituency is as motivated as you and I hope it is.

Yep. They have successfully removed any shade of grey from the debate. Job done.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Or indeed if the frustrated remain constituency is as motivated as you and I hope it is.

They will need to be motivated and smart. There is no point voting Lib Dem or Green in a Tory/Lab seat and no point voting Lab in Lib/Con marginals. The smartest way to cancel Brexit is via a second referendum and no version of a Tory government is going to counter that.

For two years people have been calling for a second referendum and specifically for the Labour Party to support one and now that they do its become “but Jeremy Corbyn”. Corbyn’s personal beliefs about Brexit don’t matter, a second referendum is Labour Party Policy and they are the only other party in the U.K. who can form a government.

Personally, I don’t think a second referendum solves the problem. It will harden the resolve in the Conservative Party and if a second referendum votes to remain we will be back at this all over again in a few years.

 

[Tony Towner]

Plus if the opposition waits until after Johnson is legally forced to get the extension he is damaged goods.

This isn't meant sarcastically, but do you speak to many Brexit supporters Paddy? I ask because you post with a lense of traditional politics. This isn't traditional. Brexiters don't see it that way. Everything is about the "the establishment", blocking the will of the people. As long as he is still pursuing Brexit there is little Johnson can do to make him damaged goods in their eyes and that includes having to ask for an extension. Last night was all about reinforcing that.

 

[Johnny75]

He was playing to his base. Exactly what Trump is doing now and what Corbyn is doing with Momentum.

These people don't care about the populous they only care about being elected and to do that you need a core that will support you even if you were to eat live babies on stage.

The rest of us are of no use to them as we are the enemy to be defeated.

I am disgusted that this partisan way of life is succeeding and that we can do nothing about it. I'd like to see the law changed that if a politician is caught deliberately lying to the populous they are dismissed immediately and barred from political life for a minimum of 10 years.

 

[Langers]

No doubt whatsoever that Johnson is playing to his base. He knows what he's doing, he's not being careless with his words - the exact opposite. It's frightening because people out there think what he's saying and doing is a good thing. He's a very dangerous man and this goes way beyond Brexit. If he wins a majority, we're going to have a tyrant making big decisions on our economy, education and health services without the security of EU laws to hold him back.

Does anyone REALLY believe he's acting the way he is because he respects the wishes of 17.4m leave voters? The same man who said he was in favour of staying in the EU mere months before the referendum? He's an opportunistic Trump clone who will do whatever it takes to cling onto the power he's somehow managed to win due to his upbringing and wealth.

The damage that has already been done to this country by the Tories is irreparable, but it could get a lot worse if and when we leave the EU and that madman gets pretty much a free reign on things. Does anyone seriously think for one moment that he wouldn't lie about the promises he's going to make in the inevitable GE campaign? He's a proven liar and newsflash - he's not doing it to 'respect democracy', he's not doing it 'for the good of the people'. He'll do it for Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson alone.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I am not interested in the Brexit vote on this one specific point. I was talking about the motivation to get out and vote for those who want to remain and how strong it will need to be. But as Saturday says it needs to be motivated AND smart.

I sure the leave vote will be out in force too, but I am hoping that Farage rather muddies the water there. Saying that, I would be a little surprised if huge swathes of lifelong labour supporters would vote Conservative to get a Brexit. The party is anathema to them. So I don’t think the labour heartlands will suddenly turn blue.

It will be won and lost in the marginals and in Scotland.

 

[SLA]

This isn't meant sarcastically, but do you speak to many Brexit supporters Paddy? I ask because you post with a lense of traditional politics. This isn't traditional. Brexiters don't see it that way. Everything is about the "the establishment", blocking the will of the people. As long as he is still pursuing Brexit there is little Johnson can do to make him damaged goods in their eyes and that includes having to ask for an extension. Last night was all about reinforcing that.

I agree. The rules have changed. Parliament, the Supreme Court etc still think politics and public life is like fencing - gentlemanly, rules based, with everyone agreeing about how it should be conducted. Johnson & Co have decided to treat it like a no-rules cage fight.

The problem with a convention-based "constitution" like ours is that it only works as long as people follow the conventions. Once they don't, you're pretty helpless. Hence they can ignore a Supreme Court ruling like the other days' with impunity. Commentators and opposition get very excited by it, but to them it's an irrelevance.

 

[lemonjelly]

This isn't meant sarcastically, but do you speak to many Brexit supporters Paddy? I ask because you post with a lense of traditional politics. This isn't traditional. Brexiters don't see it that way. Everything is about the "the establishment", blocking the will of the people. As long as he is still pursuing Brexit there is little Johnson can do to make him damaged goods in their eyes and that includes having to ask for an extension. Last night was all about reinforcing that.

I think that paddys thoughts/posts highlight the wish being the father of the thought. Numerous posts/posters pop things up about what they want to see happen, rather than what is likely to actually happen. Myself included.

 

[lemonjelly]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49833221
Related to the discussion above, Gove tells parliament "business is prepared for brexit".

Businesses reply "bullshit are we!"

In the resumed Commons session, the chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster said: "The automotive sector, who I met this week, confirmed that they were ready, the retail sector said they were ready."

Three attendees at the relevant meeting in Coventry this week told the BBC this was not an accurate reflection of Monday's meeting with manufacturers.

"I was at the meeting. There's no way that is the message he could have gone away with," said one business leader.

Another present, when asked if Mr Gove had been told by the car industry that it was ready, replied: "No! We said we are planning as best we can, but cannot prepare for all eventualities and tariffs alone undermine our viability. We want a deal. No deal is not an option. Catastrophic."
...
It said smaller companies had said that further down the supply chain, it was impossible to prepare, because they didn't have the resources or the expertise to prepare and they didn't know what they were preparing for.
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Separately, retailers also again disputed Mr Gove's claims about readiness in food supply. The British Retail Consortium said in a statement that it had been "crystal clear" that "it is impossible to completely mitigate the significant disruption which would be caused by no-deal" and "would likely see reduced availability and higher prices".

This government has a clear agenda. Brexit on any terms whatsoever. Consequences be damned, and we will blatantly and repeatedly lie to parliament, the queen, and voters regarding what we are doing.

I'm actually a little surprised sectors of so called "big business" are not being more confrontational with the government regarding this.

 

[Kenny]

Government loses parliamentary recess vote

MPs vote by 306 to 289 against the government's motion calling for a three-day parliamentary recess next week.

The break would have coincided with the Conservative Party conference in Manchester.


Another vote that shows Boris is a born winner...