Boris at it again and the contest to replace the lying c***

[Templeton Peck]

Pensions at 75?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1566127047

Fucking disgrace. They'd only just changed it FFS during the coalition. Life expectancy has actually dropped under this govt and the birth rate is at an historic low. None of this matters though as the govt can afford what it wants. The ability to spend will be - as always- based on ideology.

 

[Papper]

You forgot to admit you left off the most important bit of the quote in your earlier post.

When there is conflict between national and EU law then EU Law takes precedence (Primacy). When we leave the union the ECJ will not have primacy and we will not be required to enact EU Directives.

 

[Papper]

Fucking disgrace. They'd only just changed it FFS during the coalition. Life expectancy has actually dropped under this govt and the birth rate is at an historic low. None of this matters though as the govt can afford what it wants. The ability to spend will be - as always- based on ideology.

The growth in population has doubled in the last couple of decades while the majority of work created is low paid and unskilled. If we want public/welfare services to sustain they either cut spending or raise taxes. The money tree option favoured by Jeremy and Boris seems an illusion.

 

[Templeton Peck]

The growth in population has doubled in the last couple of decades while the majority of work created is low paid and unskilled. If we want public/welfare services to sustain they either cut spending or raise taxes. The money tree option favoured by Jeremy and Boris seems an illusion.

That's not how public spending works. Besides, elderly people require funding either way - unless you kill them off at 65 you're not going to 'save' any money. The reality is the govt can't afford NOT to provide pensions.

 

[Papper]

That's not how public spending works. Besides, elderly people require funding either way - unless you kill them off at 65 you're not going to 'save' any money. The reality is the govt can't afford NOT to provide pensions.

To an extent I agree but public spending is either funded by taxation, borrowing, privatisations, Q-Easing etc and to be fair successive govts have tried everything and anything and in my opinion much of it is falsifying an economy that is soon to come crashing down like never before. Hey, that's gobal capitalism and consumerism.
My perspective is that the vulnerable ie pensioners, the sick and children come first before anything else ie weapons, subsidising corporations and high speed rail links that are not needed. Truth is - not one of these parties can effectively cost and meet the demands without impacting on our way of life.

 

[Parkins left foot]

Not all pensioners are vulnerable though - agree that we need to resource services for the low paid whether in work or retired, but not all of the latter need the benefits that they get (money can be distrubuted elsewhere) - I get free prescriptions (fortunately I don't need any for now so not costing anything) & winter fuel payment (this tends to go to charity - not giving it back to the Government as don't trust them to use it sensibly).

Would my life be difficult without either - not really

 

[Papper]

Not all pensioners are vulnerable though - agree that we need to resource services for the low paid whether in work or retired, but not all of the latter need the benefits that they get (money can be distrubuted elsewhere) - I get free prescriptions (fortunately I don't need any for now so not costing anything) & winter fuel payment (this tends to go to charity - not giving it back to the Government as don't trust them to use it sensibly).

Would my life be difficult without either - not really

I'm not for means-testing pensioners given the fuck ups that have occurred in other areas and besides it's a green light for them to do other stuff. No, if you've paid your NIC and taxes you are entitled - it is your right. How you spend it is entirely up to you. I read that they are calling for an over-40's tax to cover social care for the elderly - can't decide whether that's good or bad. Strange days ....

 

[Tredman]

I also pay quite a lot of tax and national insurance, but get my only government provided benefit (child allowance) means tested and removed, so let's means test all the pensioners as far as possible. It's utterly laughable that my extremely well off step dad used to get winter fuel allowance, while we are happy for kids to live in poverty.

 

[Parkins left foot]

I'm not for means-testing pensioners given the fuck ups that have occurred in other areas and besides it's a green light for them to do other stuff. No, if you've paid your NIC and taxes you are entitled - it is your right. How you spend it is entirely up to you. I read that they are calling for an over-40's tax to cover social care for the elderly - can't decide whether that's good or bad. Strange days ....

Not a fan of means testing, but taking it away & allocating the funds elsewhere within the 'lower paid' element of society is quite possible

HMRC know exactly how much tax (& it's not pennies) I pay & what income I am on - they will be for most others

Not sure that a universal benefit on top of the standard state pension is equitable (I'm still having that with what I paid in over nearly 50 yrs of work)

 

[Aikiwolf]

I read that they are calling for an over-40's tax to cover social care for the elderly - can't decide whether that's good or bad. Strange days ....

An over 40s tax? Is that a joke?

I have my retirement age extended to 68 (pending 75), right to free university removed, difficulties buying a house (I could only afford mine due to a parent passing early) an ever worsening environment and a toxic political system that doesn't speak for me and I'm now to be asked to start paying an extra tax in 1.5 years time? Pathetic.

(fully aware you've not linked anything Papper but I'm getting pretty narked that millenials and gen-z, often intermixed btw, get a very raw deal).

 

[The Saturday Boy]

An over 40s tax? Is that a joke?

I have my retirement age extended to 68 (pending 75), right to free university removed, difficulties buying a house (I could only afford mine due to a parent passing early) an ever worsening environment and a toxic political system that doesn't speak for me and I'm now to be asked to start paying an extra tax in 1.5 years time? Pathetic.

(fully aware you've not linked anything Papper but I'm getting pretty narked that millenials and gen-z, often intermixed btw, get a very raw deal).

https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...6/health-secretary-attracted-new-tax-over-40s

It’s been around a few months but I guess it isn’t something that is likely to be announced as a policy this close to an election.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The Tories really do have the worst media advisers in the world.

Staged "on the phone" photos are ridiculous at the best of times but:

a) Wow, look at that bulging folder! At least half an hour's work there, go on the Truss. Sure you're absolutely prepared for this phone call that IS DEFINITELY HAPPENING.

b) What kind of oddball would have a photo of them and their dog on top of some placemats in their office? But leaving that aside, it's not even her fucking dog.

Who exactly are they trying to kid?

 

[Stan Hullis]

FFS :icon_lol:

 

[Johnny75]

LT: I’ve kidnapped the Dulux Dog......Get me the B&Q Trade ambassador on the line.*




*shamelessly stolen from twitter

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Lots of interesting stories have been flying around about Liz Truss for years.

Two words. Clown's. Pocket.

 

[Keef]

That folder is obviously the brexit planning folder,that's why there's nothing in it

 

[lemonjelly]

boris speaks out in favour of GM crops.

 

[Tredman]

Well it's about time we had an open debate on the pros and cons, there's been far too much irresponsible scaremongering.

 

[Johnny75]

Well it's about time we had an open debate on the pros and cons, there's been far too much irresponsible scaremongering.

Completely agree with this. There is too much making everybody think the same and being faux outraged at everything. Dialogue is much better.

 

[lemonjelly]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49432821

Dorothy Byrne delivered a keynote speech at the Edinburgh TV Festival on Wednesday, calling Prime Minister Boris Johnson a "coward" for not granting news interviews.

She also said he was "a known liar".

Byrne told the BBC: "If someone has deliberately spoken an untruth and we have evidence, we have to consider saying that what is said is a lie."

In her MacTaggart Lecture, she said: "What we all need to decide: what do we do when a known liar becomes our Prime Minister? I've talked to journalists from several television organisations about this issue. They said they would be loath to use that word 'liar'.

"Remember when Andrew Marr told [former defence secretary] Penny Mordaunt her claim that the UK couldn't stop Turkey from joining the EU was 'strange'?

"It was strange, but it was also untrue - a lie. Is it time for us to start using the L-word? I believe that we need to start calling politicians out as liars when they lie. If we continue to be so polite, how will our viewers know that politicians are lying?"

She added that it "isn't necessarily obvious" to the audience when politicians are untruthful in interviews.