2024 General Election Thread

[Kenny]

 

[Boozad]

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Be gracious in defeat and pay your fucking taxes. You cunt.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Boris has a 10 point plan. It is all complete and utter fucking bollocks mostly grounded on a catalogue of assumptions that won't be true and outright barefaced lies.

Politics has moved on you scruffy fucking cunt.

 

[leedswolf]

What ever happened to his 10 point green plan?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

It's filed with the unredacted Russia report

 

[Templeton Peck]

Interesting. FPTP needs to go.

 

[PuntsWolf]

On the flip side. Who would be in charge? How does anything get done?

 

[Tony Towner]

On the flip side. Who would be in charge? How does anything get done?

In theory the same as a lot of the rest of Europe with compromise and alliances - if you take the above graph on face value then you have in all likelihood have a Labour led government with Leb Dem and Green support.

The way the Lib Dems sold themselves out for a sniff of power in 2010 leaves me cynical as to whether that would work here though.

 

[prawnking]

Interesting to see the online and media analysis over the past 24 hrs. As soon as Labour win, lots of commentators are pushing how their win was actually a bit shit and the system must be broken to allow such an abberation and the most important item to discuss is how the Tories reshape their party now and how Farage fits into all of this

 

[Templeton Peck]

In theory the same as a lot of the rest of Europe with compromise and alliances - if you take the above graph on face value then you have in all likelihood have a Labour lead government with Leb Dem and Green support.

The way the Lib Dems sold themselves out for a sniff of power in 2010 leaves me cynical as to whether that would work here though.

Lib Dems didn't quite get how coalitions work. Clegg used to bleat on about how there was nothing they could do about all the nasty stuff which of course they disagreed with. Nothing he could do apart from literally bring down the govt at any time.

 

[Carrotdude]

If the system was different then imo the results wouldn’t be quite the same. The campaign would be organised differently knowing that all votes matter whereas now they can focus on certain areas and let other ones go that they know they won’t win.

 

[Mel Evo]

Interesting to see the online and media analysis over the past 24 hrs. As soon as Labour win, lots of commentators are pushing how their win was actually a bit shit and the system must be broken to allow such an abberation and the most important item to discuss is how the Tories reshape their party now and how Farage fits into all of this

That started at 22:01 on Thursday. On the BBC they had some preposterous toff from Reform haranguing Mandelson about how he’ll feel when his racists win in Hartlepool as part of the ‘more than 13 seats for sure we’ll win’. All in the place of looking at what a landslide Labour government will look like and do. I see that, in Hartlepool, twice as many people ended up voting for Labour as Reform in a seriously comfortable hold. The coverage was a real disgrace.

 

[prawnking]

It's clear to see how addicted the media (and probably us, the electorate) are to drama, division and controversy post-2016.

Centrist competence, realism and attempts at unity don't keep the wheels turning the way that internal party psychodrama, racist dog-whistling and demagoguery do

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Lib Dems didn't quite get how coalitions work. Clegg used to bleat on about how there was nothing they could do about all the nasty stuff which of course they disagreed with. Nothing he could do apart from literally bring down the govt at any time.

That's exactly how coalitions work, smaller party generally gets screwed at the end of its term.
Haven't the bulk to withstand unpopular descions or the heft on the media to emphasise the good stuff they do.
Bring government down then they get still get punished, as electorate say thats what they signed up for.

 

[AndyWolves]

A couple of things I've noticed is that in 2016 ukip got a similar amount to Reform in 2024. And the greens and reform got the same amount of seats which would be hard to discern given the media coverage!

 

[Del Woppio]

That's exactly how coalitions work, smaller party generally gets screwed at the end of its term.
Haven't the bulk to withstand unpopular descions or the heft on the media to emphasise the good stuff they do.
Bring government down then they get still get punished, as electorate say thats what they signed up for.

They're not there to just turn into clones of the major party. If Lib Dems don't support a policy, the change it until you've found a mutually agreeable version. That's the whole point

 

[Templeton Peck]

That's exactly how coalitions work, smaller party generally gets screwed at the end of its term.
Haven't the bulk to withstand unpopular descions or the heft on the media to emphasise the good stuff they do.
Bring government down then they get still get punished, as electorate say thats what they signed up for.

Nope. You have your red lines and stick to them. Or you negotiate. Del put it better.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I bet Clegg wishes quietly that he had gone for a confidence and supply deal rather than a full-blown coalition, but he wanted to be deputy PM I guess.

I can also state that with the two big parties seeing their vote share lowered by the rise of smaller parties, the chances of FPTP disappearing in the next two decades are realistically nil.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

They're not there to just turn into clones of the major party. If Lib Dems don't support a policy, the change it until you've found a mutually agreeable version. That's the whole point

Thats grand in theory. In reality either your in fucking government or not, can't cherry pick.
Seen over 10 coalitions, always ends the same.
Soon as they signed on dotted line with Cameron they were fucked.

 

[prawnking]

Thats grand in theory

Welcome to TP's world, mate