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Are you fucking dense? Don't bother answering that, I think the proof is there in your posts. You do know that when opposing something you're fighting against it? That when people opposed apartheid for instance, demonstrations against it were part of the 'fight against apartheid'. The violence I referenced was, valid on current evidence, the supposition that any opposition through mass protest was highly likely to met with a violent response from the Trump regime. And the question I posed was whether that would quell the protests or lead to more protests as a response.

If you can't understand that point, but want instead to spin it to fit your pre-determined opinion, knock yourself out genius.

So you're now saying what you actually meant was that peaceful protest is more likely to stop Trump's agenda and even get him out of the White House than anything that could be mustered politically or legally?

How does that work then?
 
I already think we're past the point of "democracy" to get Trump out, his acts already are trampling over democracy.

Just waiting 4 years is incredibly dangerous, but that's what everyone has to do - apparently.
 
I didn't say you did? I said you're talking about bypassing normal political/legal channels (which includes peaceful protest) and going straight for confrontation on the streets to overthrow a government the people voted in late last year.

Your post was two sentences long and contained the word 'fight' twice and 'violent' once. You're not talking about standing on corners with a few placards.

If we're all horrified that Trump is desperate to undo so much of the US's reputation, alliances and democratic system, and if we would rather a decent version of democracy in the US (and the rest of the world) rather than dictatorship, oligarchy, theocracy or worse, shouldn't the move be to defend and legitimise democracy, voting, political discourse, the power of community action, and show that it has value, rather than give up after 3 months and sink to the level of insurrection?
I'm just going back to the bold to check that you understand the word 'fight' because on the evidence so far, I don't think you do.

The Suffragettes fought for women's right to vote.
The Trade Union movement fought for the rights of working people.
Trade Unions fought to bring an end to child labour.
Martin Luther King fought for the civil rights of black people.
Nelson Mandela fought to bring an end to Apartheid.
The people of Germany  fought to bring down the Berlin Wall.

Are you getting it yet? Or do you want a few more examples of what 'fight' might mean in politics?
 
MLK was also not Gandhi. His legacy has been horrifically whitewashed. He understood all too well that violence is as much a reaction as it is a choice.

A riot is the voice of the unheard.
 
🚨TRUMP CIRCUS LATEST🚨: Huge concerns for allies of the US continue to pile up as it is revealed that former Fox News host and current actual Defense Secretary Pete ‘accidentally sending classified information to a journalist in a Signal group’ Hegseth has been bringing his wife (another former Fox host) to sensitive military meetings despite her having zero official role or clearance. He has also promoted his brother, a right-wing podcaster, to a senior position inside the Pentagon.
 
🚨TRUMP CIRCUS LATEST🚨: Huge concerns for allies of the US continue to pile up as it is revealed that former Fox News host and current actual Defense Secretary Pete ‘accidentally sending classified information to a journalist in a Signal group’ Hegseth has been bringing his wife (another former Fox host) to sensitive military meetings despite her having zero official role or clearance. He has also promoted his brother, a right-wing podcaster, to a senior position inside the Pentagon.
FFS.
 
So when the EU had 10% tarriffs on US cars and the US had 2.5% on EU cars, most people thought it was OK. For me it just demonstrates how easily manipulated by the media, to follow party lines and not think for themselves, people are.
It is true Trump is a cunt and I think cutting foreign aid and deporting immigrants without a trial is wrong, but on tarriffs many of those complaining now, were OK with tarriffs when they were in our favour.

 
So you are happy for foreign states to subsidise industries, selling their goods into international markets at below market rates jeopardising the same industries in those countries? What happens if those manufacturers go bust and allow a monopoly from what was once state subsidised goods? They have the world by the bollocks and can charge what they like.
 
So you are happy for foreign states to subsidise industries, selling their goods into international markets at below market rates jeopardising the same industries in those countries? What happens if those manufacturers go bust and allow a monopoly from what was once state subsidised goods? They have the world by the bollocks and can charge what they like.
We seem to have no problem with China doing this.
 
Economically speaking, they’ve gotten the balance pretty close to ideal. How inextricable that is from their, er, “other policies” is difficult to say from the outside but always worth caveating. But in vacuum from that, more countries should be studying how China manages its resources and directs them toward its goals.

If there is a way to marry Command and Capital economies with a less socially repressive regime, it could offer some ways forward.
 
Economically speaking, they’ve gotten the balance pretty close to ideal. How inextricable that is from their, er, “other policies” is difficult to say from the outside but always worth caveating. But in vacuum from that, more countries should be studying how China manages its resources and directs them toward its goals.

If there is a way to marry Command and Capital economies with a less socially repressive regime, it could offer some ways forward.
Capitalist economies, in their purest form, are also socially repressive.
 
So when the EU had 10% tarriffs on US cars and the US had 2.5% on EU cars, most people thought it was OK. For me it just demonstrates how easily manipulated by the media, to follow party lines and not think for themselves, people are.
It is true Trump is a cunt and I think cutting foreign aid and deporting immigrants without a trial is wrong, but on tarriffs many of those complaining now, were OK with tarriffs when they were in our favour.



The tarrifs trump is imposing will make anything manufactured in USA more expensive. The reason they import steel and aluminium is because it's cheaper than sourcing within the US. Whichever outcome manufacturers go for (import at a 25% premium or source domestically) their raw materials are going to cost more, and who will end up footing the bill? The American consumer. (Because reciprocal tarrifs will make us made goods seem more expensive).
 
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