That's how I read it too. I don't see it as him being a fawning yes man, I think they've genuinely misled him/lied to him about their transfer spending plans. That's why I said a couple of weeks ago that he has been just as gaslit by the owners as we have. It's what they did to Lop, so maybe you could say he should have anticipated it, but I genuinely think he's been sideswiped by their shitness.That's my take? Surprised at the negativity on his quotes. For me, he's calling out the club for not backing him.
It'd still be around £30m profit. £40m+ if Sa goes as well. Obviously if you take the total €30m fee for Larsen then it's just a small €3m profit (before Sa).If those 3 deals take place, what would be our net spend?
This is what self sustaining looks like I guess. I hope it works. The notion that the only way to stand still is to operate at a loss year on year is ludicrous and completely unsustainable.It'd still be around £30m profit. £40m+ if Sa goes as well. Obviously if you take the total €30m fee for Larsen then it's just a small €3m profit (before Sa).
In
Doyle €5m
Gomes €15m
Lima €10m
Larsen €3m (loan fee)
Johnstone €12m
Meupiyou €5m
Andre €22m
Total - €72m
Out
Kilman €48m
Neto €60m
Total - €108m
Profit - €36m (£30m)
The only reason he was hired was because they did exactly the same thing to Lop. You'd have to be monumentally naive to think it wouldn't happen again.That's how I read it too. I don't see it as him being a fawning yes man, I think they've genuinely misled him/lied to him about their transfer spending plans. That's why I said a couple of weeks ago that he has been just as gaslit by the owners as we have. It's what they did to Lop, so maybe you could say he should have anticipated it, but I genuinely think he's been sideswiped by their shitness.
I guess the thinking could be that we can make money on Andre but not O’Shea though that logic wasn’t applied to Ramsdale wrt to Johnstone. Just adds fuel to the notion they’re making up the transfer policy as they go along.We must properly mess with his head
Can I have a PL ready centre back.
Sure, budget will be approx £12m but no more
Cheers, errr going to have to be a player from a relegated club then for that price
Bad news they all want £15m+
Fine, I will change the way we set up then, will need an extra DM.
Aces, got one for you from Brazil for £22m
@Johnny75 - You always laugh at these calculations? What's missing / wrong? Explain it like i'm 5 pleaseIt'd still be around £30m profit. £40m+ if Sa goes as well. Obviously if you take the total €30m fee for Larsen then it's just a small €3m profit (before Sa).
In
Doyle €5m
Gomes €15m
Lima €10m
Larsen €3m (loan fee)
Johnstone €12m
Meupiyou €5m
Andre €22m
Total - €72m
Out
Kilman €48m
Neto €60m
Total - €108m
Profit - €36m (£30m)
Net spend just isn't a thing. Amortisation - sales is the true transfer picture.@Johnny75 - You always laugh at these calculations? What's missing / wrong? Explain it like i'm 5 please
Waaaaay off topic here but out with my lad in MD a few weeks back and in one pub there was a chap loudly claiming that the cure for every form of cancer is out there but the drug companies hide it as cancer earns them billions .It's just the equivalent of the pisshead in the pub that tells you the moon landings were faked because he read it somewhere.
He only does it to try and wind me up@Johnny75 - You always laugh at these calculations? What's missing / wrong? Explain it like i'm 5 please
Three things:There'll still be those obsessed with playing a four who'll claim he should have stuck to his guns. Some still circle jerk over Lage's first season FFS.
In a nutshell, we're not good enough defensively to play a high line and will get caught out far too often...The press is certainly more effective than it has been from what I have seen in pre-season and the first couple of games. Of course, pressing Arsenal is fraught with error but against Chelsea we did panic them several times. The issue is protecting the defence when you do it and when you have a bloke like RAN being undisciplined or a teammate failing to cover the gap he leaves, then you're asking for it.
As regards pre-season, it can tell you certain things but we mullered West Ham playing it and swept Leipzig away. It came unstuck with a reserve team playing against Palace so I kind of get why he tried it in a league game. You walk away from Arsenal losing 2-0 and think that's respectable but then get crushed second half v Chelsea and it certainly makes you think.
I get your point, but isn't amortisation only really used for FFP/PSR calcs? What bear is showing is money in / money out from a transfer perspective in the truest sense of the word? Obviously not all money gets paid in one big lump, but for the purposes of a forum is sufficient?Net spend just isn't a thing. Amortisation - sales is the true transfer picture.
Our income is not, of course, dictated by player sales but by TV money and commercial income.
If you start with net spend your calculations are laughable already. Bear takes himself seriously with these calculations it makes me laugh and also the people who keep saying 'self sustaining looks like this' equally make me laugh.
It's just the equivalent of the pisshead in the pub that tells you the moon landings were faked because he read it somewhere.
Well, perhaps it's not that. He has previously and openly said that we have the money for the right player at the right time. We seem to be getting mixed messages, or is it that the goalposts are forever changing as clubs ask for more and more for their players as the deadline approaches?That's how I read it too. I don't see it as him being a fawning yes man, I think they've genuinely misled him/lied to him about their transfer spending plans. That's why I said a couple of weeks ago that he has been just as gaslit by the owners as we have. It's what they did to Lop, so maybe you could say he should have anticipated it, but I genuinely think he's been sideswiped by their shitness.
People can make up whatever they like. Can't have your own facts though.I get your point, but isn't amortisation only really used for FFP/PSR calcs? What bear is showing is money in / money out from a transfer perspective in the truest sense of the word? Obviously not all money gets paid in one big lump, but for the purposes of a forum is sufficient?
Likewise, we would need to know what the net profit / loss is before player trading to be able to know how much revenue / costs are a factor here.
You get it going the other way too. People saying if we've sold £90m of players with no amortisation in Kilman and Neto, we could spend £450m now on players on 5 year dealsAnd no, amortisation is not just used for PSR and if you wanted to look at a true set of accounts it would get very boring very quickly but the faux nonsense of net spend seems to lead to people saying we can only spend this or that which is utter nonsense.
Exactly. It's not directly related to PSR or the accounts. It's just another avenue of profit/loss for the club. It's nice to see how much we spend each window too.I get your point, but isn't amortisation only really used for FFP/PSR calcs? What bear is showing is money in / money out from a transfer perspective in the truest sense of the word? Obviously not all money gets paid in one big lump, but for the purposes of a forum is sufficient?
Likewise, we would need to know what the net profit / loss is before player trading to be able to know how much revenue / costs are a factor here.
Here you go @AndyWolves it illustrates my point perfectly.Exactly. It's not directly related to PSR or the accounts. It's just another avenue of profit/loss for the club. It's nice to see how much we spend each window too.
If you really wanted to know how it relates to PSR you'd have to work out the exact amortisation costs for each window, tracking it year by year and calculating the profit once each sale price is taken into account minus what's left on the contract. I can't be arsed to do that though!