Wolves Academy Thread

[pavlosmacwolf]

I don't think they'd agree to it either, I think trying to merge bigger/smaller clubs in the same areas and doing away with reserve teams to create B teams is the cleanest solution but no more likely.

City and United could take up someone like Stockport, Oldham or Bury to be their B team. That'd provide the smaller team with a far more solid financial footing but no doubt pride and rivalries would stand in the way of such.

We'll soon be looking at four premier leagues If tha's allowd to happen, first team in the prem, U23's champs, U21's div 1 etc etc, and all from man city. and what happens if their B side wins promotion, can they tell them who to pick when playing th hos club?, even if they are still called Oldham or Bury?

Personally i want less monopoly for the rich kids, not more. With oligarchs and sheiks flying around everywhere now, a fairer distribution of TV money is where we should be looking to go.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

If I were a supporter of Stockport County, Oldham Athletic, or Bury, I would be extremely annoyed if my team were to lose their identity.

As I'd expect.

Even if they were to continue under their original names, badges, colours, etc. They'd still be governed by the bigger club, their team would consist largely of that bigger club's youngsters and reserves which could be taken back at any point, I think that's the ruling in Spain anyway.

We'll soon be looking at four premier leagues If tha's allowd to happen, first team in the prem, U23's champs, U21's div 1 etc etc, and all from man city. and what happens if their B side wins promotion, can they tell them who to pick when playing th hos club?, even if they are still called Oldham or Bury?

Personally i want less monopoly for the rich kids, not more. With oligarchs and sheiks flying around everywhere now, a fairer distribution of TV money is where we should be looking to go.

Well your U21s wouldn't exist for a start because the new U23 idea is an alteration to that level. I think I Spain the A team and B team are unable to compete in the same league so while it'll push some lesser lights out of the bottom it won't prevent others getting promoted to the very top.

I don't see where TV money really plays a part in this discussion, it doesn't really have a great bearing on creating a competitive transition from youth to senior level.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The same thing is happening at the highest levels of regional football in Germany. The TV money of the 2e Bundesliga and the 3e Liga are the dream and clubs in the regional leagues are becoming fully professional in order to compete. Hoffenheim is the classic example; a nothing club from a small village at the side of a motorway has worked its way up over the last 10 years or so from the local amateur league to the Bundesliga. It won't be long before a similar thing happens here.

I'm not sure where you've got that from mate. The TV money below the Bundesliga isn't particularly great. Hoffenheim and Red Bull Leipzig are very much the exceptions to the rule; there is no grand scale investment in lower league German clubs that I'm aware of at all. For one thing the constitution of the vast majority of clubs doesn't permit it.

 

[andyc225]

I'm not sure where you've got that from mate. The TV money below the Bundesliga isn't particularly great. Hoffenheim and Red Bull Leipzig are very much the exceptions to the rule; there is no grand scale investment in lower league German clubs that I'm aware of at all. For one thing the constitution of the vast majority of clubs doesn't permit it.

Compared to the €0 in the Regionalliga anything is fantastic. How does the 2e Bundesliga compare to the Championship given the fact that more games are shown? £18.99 Hoffenheim and RB Leipzig are the famous exceptions to the 50 plus 1 rule as you say but there must be more somewhere, surely.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

English TV deals dwarf anywhere in the world and Germany is no exception.

The cumulative deal for the top two divisions comes out at €412m a year. The club finishing top of 2.Bundesliga will get around €9m, bottom place around €4m.

Hoffenheim are fortunate to have an eccentric who fancied taking his local team as far as they could, they're perpetually downsizing though. Hopp has seen that they've reached their limit as it were and eventually they'll go the way of Wigan and just drift back into anonymity. Red Bull want a presence all over the world, they're finding it a lot harder to do in Germany than they have elsewhere. Beyond that then there really aren't any other clubs powering their way through the ranks. Teams still routinely turn down promotions from the various Oberligas and Verbandsligas.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

What happens when someone says no to promotion?

No relegation from the higher lleague or promotion place offered to lower placed team?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

What happens when someone says no to promotion?

No relegation from the higher lleague or promotion place offered to lower placed team?

Normally no relegation. Often you're talking about clubs at a level where a very young DW played so the standard and facilities just aren't up to playing regularly against more professional and established outfits.

Also the higher you go, you have to pay a bond to the DFB in advance of the season starting and your small time outfits just can't afford to do that.

 

[andyc225]

English TV deals dwarf anywhere in the world and Germany is no exception.

The cumulative deal for the top two divisions comes out at €412m a year. The club finishing top of 2.Bundesliga will get around €9m, bottom place around €4m

That compares quite favourably to the Championship if you factor in memberships, gate receipts, merchandise revenue and so on.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's comparing apples with oranges really. Some of the clubs in 2.Bundesliga are tiny. Aue, Union Berlin, Paderborn, Aalen, you're looking at no real historical success and small fanbases. They don't have a culture of massive clubs existing relatively low down the pyramid like you do in England, with the possible exception of the ex-DDR teams who've never really built any long standing success outwith Hertha (and they perpetually underachieve given the size of the city).

 

[andyc225]

It's comparing apples with oranges really. Some of the clubs in 2.Bundesliga are tiny. Aue, Union Berlin, Paderborn, Aalen, you're looking at no real historical success and small fanbases. They don't have a culture of massive clubs existing relatively low down the pyramid like you do in England, with the possible exception of the ex-DDR teams who've never really built any long standing success outwith Hertha (and they perpetually underachieve given the size of the city).

If you think of the top half as Championship and the bottom half as League One you'll be pretty close in terms of the gates they get. The likes of Paderborn, Erzgebirge Aue and Aalen get quite a few through their turnstyles relative to their size. There are exceptions to the rule though. Cottbus doesn't average more than 11k or thereabouts but have been in the first tier recently. Dynamo Dresden averaged 17k in the third tier last time they were there. According to the stats on Transfermarkt they're currently averaging over 26k and have had 4 home sellouts this season.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Cottbus suffer in the same way that the likes of Oldham, Bury, Rochdale etc suffer in the shadow of the Manchester clubs and Walsall around here. Obviously further away from Berlin in terms of raw distance but it's all relative. If you live round there then penny to a pound you'll follow Hertha and it isn't a particularly big place in its own right.

Dresden's lack of success since reunification is a real puzzler. They should be at least around the level of the likes of Kaiserslautern and Köln.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Wolves under 21's lost to their Sunderland counterparts 2 - 0.

Team:

McCarey, Doherty, Hause, Davis, Ebanks-Landell, Elokobi, Bancessi, Evans, McAlinden, Keita (Kostrna 45), Forde.

 

[big mean bunny]

What was the Sunderland side like I wonder. That looks a good team from Wolves!

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Sunderland: Dixon, Cartwright, Ferguson, Oliver (Smith 84), Harrison, Egan, Mitchell (Gooch 84), Agnew, Laidler, Honeyman, Holland (Lawson 80).

 

[@Comptonstars]

1st game in a while today won't comment to much on the game as it's on the official site

Other Key points

Matt Doherty played 90 minutes and looked comfortable obviously not playing at full tilt

Fringe players didn't do enough to push the 1st team players, Mcalinden slight exception

Keita & Euesbio arnt ready to be considered for 1st team honours at this stage

I expect Forde & Kostrna to leave the club in the summer

One bright spark was Kortney Hause I was very impressed started off at LB and finished at CB swapping with big George
Very comfortable on the ball and happy to bring it out, I think he may replace George on the 1st team bench before the end of the season, I look forward to seeing him again

@Comptonstars

 

[Quirkafleeg]

Any reason you think Kostrna wont make it mate.

 

[The Bear]

Cheers for the thoughts @ Comptonstars

 

[FrankMunro-371]

We did put out quite a strong side, but Foley didn't play. Is he injured?

 

[@Comptonstars]

Any reason you think Kostrna wont make it mate.

Few reasons, He's been moved positions started at RB then a few games at RM and last few games at CM including today
At 20 years old there are players similar ages in the positions I mentioned further ahead in development

His contract is also up in the summer

 

[Kenny]

We did put out quite a strong side, but Foley didn't play. Is he injured?

Nope. He trained today according to the Official Wolves Twitter.

Clearly not in any of KJ's immediate plans or indeed Plan B, C or D