Wolves 1-1 Sunderland 02/05 Verdict thread

[Jinky]

As ever though Spiers has it wrong. They weren't clapped off because of undying loyalty from the fans towards that group of players, it was because we genuinely played (but not defended) quite well over the 90 minutes. Fans can tell, the reaction is never binary based purely on the score.

And thousands of people left early anyway, a myth to suggest they didn't. Doubt there were 15k home fans in there at full time.

I suspect there was an element of loyalty involved because Mick had built that squad on a shoe-string and the players had completely bought into his plan. No one expected us to achieve anything that season and we went close.

Still one of the oddest matches I’ve ever seen live. It felt like Southampton scored with every shot they had!

A certain Rob Edwards started in defence for us that day, I believe.

 

[Lupo]

Still one of the oddest matches I’ve ever seen live. It felt like Southampton scored with every shot they had!

Mick was talking about the Southampton game on Thursday night and how good the fans were, he said pretty much this ^^^

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

6 shots on target and won 6-0.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/match/_/gameId/203234/southampton-wolverhampton-wanderers

Not every one went in though as Gary Breen scored an inexplicable own goal.

Definitely Matt Murray's worst ever game for us. Pretty sure that Saganowski was absolutely shite afterwards.

There was goodwill between the fans, players and management that season but if they played shit they got booed off and if they didn't try (hello Messrs Clarke and Ricketts) then they got slated. Same as ever.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

As ever though Spiers has it wrong. They weren't clapped off because of undying loyalty from the fans towards that group of players, it was because we genuinely played (but not defended) quite well over the 90 minutes. Fans can tell, the reaction is never binary based purely on the score.

And thousands of people left early anyway, a myth to suggest they didn't. Doubt there were 15k home fans in there at full time.

I don't think Spiers said it was about undying loyalty, he said it was about how we played and the effort, it was in the context of saying that RE keeps setting us up in a negative way.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I don't think Spiers said it was about undying loyalty, he said it was about how we played and the effort, it was in the context of saying that RE keeps setting us up in a negative way.

But that's a red herring too, isn't it.

That was 5th vs 6th or whatever in the Championship with a few weeks of the season to go, we were about evenly matched with Southampton, home record was pretty good on the whole, of course we were going to have a go.

If we're playing Arsenal or Liverpool at home with *this* squad then we cannot just say fuck it, throw loads of players forwards. I don't actually see how it's a relevant comparison at all, beyond people liked* watching that team and they don't like watching this one, which is not going to make the front page of The Times tomorrow.



*They still fucking moaned all the time and there was always a healthy subsection of fans who hated Mick from day one and slated everything he did or said

 

[Deano]

But that's a red herring too, isn't it.

That was 5th vs 6th or whatever in the Championship with a few weeks of the season to go, we were about evenly matched with Southampton, home record was pretty good on the whole, of course we were going to have a go.

If we're playing Arsenal or Liverpool at home with *this* squad then we cannot just say fuck it, throw loads of players forwards. I don't actually see how it's a relevant comparison at all, beyond people liked* watching that team and they don't like watching this one, which is not going to make the front page of The Times tomorrow.



*They still fucking moaned all the time and there was always a healthy subsection of fans who hated Mick from day one and slated everything he did or said

I've given up trying to understand it, you had people calling McCarthy "thick" and at the end of his time here, people taking to social media to call Nunos football Terrorist ball, yet the same people have been more than patient with some absolutely fucking shit managers.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

But that's a red herring too, isn't it.

That was 5th vs 6th or whatever in the Championship with a few weeks of the season to go, we were about evenly matched with Southampton, home record was pretty good on the whole, of course we were going to have a go.

If we're playing Arsenal or Liverpool at home with *this* squad then we cannot just say fuck it, throw loads of players forwards. I don't actually see how it's a relevant comparison at all, beyond people liked* watching that team and they don't like watching this one, which is not going to make the front page of The Times tomorrow.



*They still fucking moaned all the time and there was always a healthy subsection of fans who hated Mick from day one and slated everything he did or said

It was a vehicle to criticise Edwards teams and mentality, Spiers will never win with you

I didn't think you listened to Judah and Spiers anyway?!

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I don't, I'm responding to the précis on this thread.

If he wants me to listen he could try making a worthwhile point once in a while. As he was a Lage truther right to the very end, I suspect Halley's Comet might come along first.

Criticising the way we currently set up is fine to a point (as I myself have said on this thread, setting up the same way makes no sense, I fail to see what three CHs brings us with the current personnel so at least try something else when there is literally nothing at stake, why haven't we found any kind of way of using any of the strikers we own, etc etc). Making asinine comparisons to a team from 19 years ago when there are basically no comparative points at all is just odd and smacks of empty nostalgia.

He could point to Mick's 2009/10 team and what they achieved, that would be a better barometer.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I don't, I'm responding to the précis on this thread.

Ah, that explains why it seems like you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Alright mate, settle down. How does Tim like his coffee in the morning out of interest?

You tell me what relevance that Southampton game (which I am pretty sure he doesn't remember properly) has to yesterday or anything then, beyond the base level of "I preferred that team and that manager".

 

[jlo]

Attendance was 29,632 apparently, wonder what it actually was in the stadium during the vast majority of the game.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Alright mate, settle down. How does Tim like his coffee in the morning out of interest?

You tell me what relevance that Southampton game (which I am pretty sure he doesn't remember properly) has to yesterday or anything then, beyond the base level of "I preferred that team and that manager".

I have no idea how you can have such strong views on something you haven't even listened to.

But you do you.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

It's a view on someone I've read/observed for 15+ years?

Unless like Richard Littlejohn, he turns into Tolstoy in 2026.

 

[Tony Towner]

Alright mate, settle down. How does Tim like his coffee in the morning out of interest?

You tell me what relevance that Southampton game (which I am pretty sure he doesn't remember properly) has to yesterday or anything then, beyond the base level of "I preferred that team and that manager".

He was criticising Edwards and his approach to the Spurs game and their fragility saying that at this stage of the season fans would rather seeing us lose having a go than sitting in, hoping for a counter and inevitably losing anyway. Then he used the Southampton game as an example of fans still being supportive in a hammering if they feel the players gave everything.

It's a rogue comparison, but his starting point was correct.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Attendance was 29,632 apparently, wonder what it actually was in the stadium during the vast majority of the game.

The North Bank lower in particular looked about 75% full.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

He was criticising Edwards and his approach to the Spurs game and their fragility saying that at this stage of the season fans would rather seeing us lose having a go than sitting in, hoping for a counter and inevitably losing anyway. Then he used the Southampton game as an example of fans still being supportive in a hammering if they feel the players gave everything.

It's a rogue comparison, but his starting point was correct.

Point A: I agree to a point, but he's naive at best, disingenuous at worst if he thinks it'd all be sweetness and light if we did play on the front foot and went 2-0 down inside 15 minutes because we "had a go". No it wouldn't.

Point B: That isn't what happened and it's not remotely comparable on a number of levels

 

[basher]

29,632!?!?!

 

[Law's Bus]

As ever though Spiers has it wrong. They weren't clapped off because of undying loyalty from the fans towards that group of players, it was because we genuinely played (but not defended) quite well over the 90 minutes. Fans can tell, the reaction is never binary based purely on the score.

And thousands of people left early anyway, a myth to suggest they didn't. Doubt there were 15k home fans in there at full time.

Crazy to say for people who just looked at the result, but we were the better side by miles! It was just one of those days where every time a Southampton player as much as looked at the goal they scored.

 

[jlo]

29,632!?!?!

Exactly. Attendance really should be on who comes through the gates, even if the club has people not turning up. I mean people paying THAT much for tickets and not turning up is another story too

 

[Derby Wolf]

The North Bank lower in particular looked about 75% full.

The North Bank looked like how it does after 80 minutes.

What happened in the bottom corner of the South Bank too? Why was that completely boxed off?