Wolves 0 v 1 Leeds: The Verdict Thread

[FrankMunro-371]

Lose at Blackburn and we will be in trouble. Though hopefully that will not happen.

 

[YoungWolf]

Silvio and CBJ were brought in - and should be playing regularly IMO. Both with games and fitness have the ability to be too good for this level. In the middle, Batth, Hause and Iorfa are also good players at this level (with the latter two having potential to go further). But you can tell Walter hasn't really worked out his ideal back four and I think if there is one thing that needs a consistent run it's the back four with Saiss in front of them. We need another quality CM because although Coady and Edwards have been playing relatively well they don't have the quality to make us top six contenders, but we knew that about them already in truth.

Ikeme

Silvio
Iorfa/Batth
Batth/Hause
CBJ

Saiss
Prince
NEW CM/Evans

Costa
Bod
Cavaleiro

Is a very good eleven I think and under the right guidance should certainly not be lurking around the lower half of the division. I want Walter to succeed because I like how he speaks and you can see he really wants to take his chance but it was quite clear when appointed he was a bit of a stop gap. If someone like Marco Silva is now interested we should be going for them.

 

[Freddeno]

We won't go down to League One Frank, but this is far from good enough anyway..

 

[sycophantia]

Personally think Edwards and Coady have been good enough recently to suggest they could be part of a top 6 side as long as they have good players with them. Can't understand the love for Evans personally, he was good in Lge 1 and the first few games when we came back up but since then every time I've seen him I've been underwhelmed, unless he's gained a couple of yards of pace and learned to tackle and lost a few pounds while he was away on loan

 

[slink]

Edwards and Coady aren't good enough on the ball still, they do suit a pressing style of play which is what we have done when we have played well but on the ball they just don't offer enough with only Saiss in there with them, we need a second midfielder who is comfortable on the ball and can find a pass. That's either Teix in the 10 or Evans in a second deeper role next to Saiss.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Lycan summed it up well, individually Edwards had a good game on Saturday (I'm impressed by how he's worked on actually winning the ball these days rather than just chasing around and impacting on nothing) but given Saiss spends most of his time in our own half, what he does isn't really conducive to a midfield two working for us.

If you took Henry/Jones or two of Rae/Ince/Cameron as a base given they were the central midfields that got us promoted from this league, Edwards/Saiss doesn't really compare to either of those.

 

[Freddeno]

would have loved to have David Jones in midfield right now..great on the ball, wide passing range, good footballing brain and can also finish decently..

 

[Tony Towner]

Ståle would have kept us afloat. Eventually the "bomb squad" would have been exiled by him. Hell, just playing Peszko and Sako at the same time (rather than poor Kevin Foley wide right) would likely have been enough to garner the point we needed at the end.

No telling what would have happened after that, though. Maybe things worked out for the best, in their own way.

Bollocks, those Xmas performances were up there with the worst I have ever seen. A new competent manager would have kept us up...we got Saunders

 

[Tony Towner]

I agree with this, he's improved massively and had some very good games but he's not been as good this season as he was at the back end of last and there have been a couple of performances that could have got as bad as Saturday did.

I think the same of Batth as well, he makes far too many defensive errors, he's improved on the ball but he hasn't cut the errors out like at Wigan and at Brighton. Hause is a much better defender and it's him we should be trying to find a partner for. He had a shocking last 20 minutes on Saturday with the ball and kept kicking it our of play but defensively he was still solid.

I didn't go on Saturday, so other than seeing the highlights where he had two clear cock ups I cannot really comment. What I will say is this season our full backs are not being asked to push on, this has had a detrimental affect on the games of both Iorfa and Doherty, who both like to get forward. Defending has never been Doherty's strongest suit, I'm not saying this as a defence more that this manager doesn't play to the strengths of the players he has.

 

[Lycan]

would have loved to have David Jones in midfield right now..great on the ball, wide passing range, good footballing brain and can also finish decently..

The ex-Wolves midfielder I've been missing the most recently is Kevin McDonald (or at least a version that didn't behave like a stroppy little child). He would've been brilliant next to Saiss.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

The ex-Wolves midfielder I've been missing the most recently is Kevin McDonald (or at least a version that didn't behave like a stroppy little child). He would've been brilliant next to Saiss.

The trouble is he was so one paced and pedestrian. Km with pace weould be great in this league.

 

[Tony Towner]

The ex-Wolves midfielder I've been missing the most recently is Kevin McDonald (or at least a version that didn't behave like a stroppy little child). He would've been brilliant next to Saiss.

None stroppy McDonald and Price were always fine as a partnership even at this level, which I think results bear out. For whatever reason last year Jackett went either/or which was a mistake.

 

[pr0sl0]

Would be interesting to see either Price or Evans playing alongside Saiss - both of them have overlaps with aspects of McDonald's game. Evans has the Hollywood balls, Price does the possession recycling. Not sure if either work, though.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

McDonald was fortunate to start as many as 32 games last season being as he was decent in at best eight of them. Bradley Johnson chucked him about like a rag doll at Pride Park. By all accounts he had a couple of decent early games for Fulham but has tailed off into being a half arsed ponce again, he isn't good enough to get away with that and it doesn't look like it's something he's growing out of.

 

[Freddeno]

Forgot about Price, could be a keeping the ball solution anyday

 

[slink]

I didn't go on Saturday, so other than seeing the highlights where he had two clear cock ups I cannot really comment. What I will say is this season our full backs are not being asked to push on, this has had a detrimental affect on the games of both Iorfa and Doherty, who both like to get forward. Defending has never been Doherty's strongest suit, I'm not saying this as a defence more that this manager doesn't play to the strengths of the players he has.

I'd agree that the full backs being told not to go forward as much has been detrimental to both their games but even with that Doherty was so bad on Saturday. He was constantly out of position and his passing was terrible. Also agree that Zenga doesn't play to the strengths of the players that he has.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Forgot about Price, could be a keeping the ball solution anyday

He and Stearman have paid the price for Barnsley, both were absolutely dreadful that night (whether that means they should be excluded more or less permanently as a result is another matter).

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Surely the most important part of being a full back is the ability to defend? And sadly, Doherty falls short in that department. The goal Leeds scored on Saturday would not have been out of place in a Sunday League game.

 

[slink]

Add Wallace to that as well, not been seen since.

 

[Freddeno]

Aye, Wallace had a pretty bright start to the season you would say..