Wigan 2-1 Wolves - VERDICT

[Alan]

The good news is that the goals were very preventable and can be fixed through training or recruitment. The bad news is that the goals were very preventable but clearly we weren't up to it.

Regardless, not a great result but one that can be forgotten easily if we get something from Norwich.

 

[TornadoTed]

http://www.skysports.com/watch/vide...itions/championship/10596222/wigan-2-1-wolves

Truly hideous defending for both goals, probably the reason nobody has posted a link to the highlights yet!

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Former player scoring, and teams ending winless runs myths aplenty.

Awful result, we shouldn't be losing the sort of games we have if we have ambitions of Top 6 or better. We shouldn't be losing at Wigan (and conceding goals like the second one), we shouldn't be losing at home to Barnsley.

Tough run of fixtures coming up now with Norwich at home followed by Villa and Brighton away.

Exactly. Myth it may be but RVLP Hammill and Le Fondre have all managed it so far this year. Oh ad we concede in the last 5 minutes again. Bloody awful result against a bloody awful team who will do well to stay up. Thats 1 point from Rotherham and Wigan 2 teams that may well be in league one next year. Really not good enough and really not happy at the moment. The squad may be a work in progress but it needs to be a sight more consistent than this.

 

[Carrotdude]

We've obviously got an issue with midweek games at the moment for whatever reason, hopefully that changes for the Christmas period otherwise we'll find ourselves in a spot of bother

 

[Dart wolves]

Very disappointing result, should be winning games like this,and keep the momentum going .
odd subs, a bit K.J ish ! if Dicko is not injured, perfect time to bring him on for the last 20 mins especially with Bod not playing
agree with DW , not sure WZ is the manager to take us to the premier, not an impressive managerial record,it is still work in progress
but this excuse won't last much longer , what is it mid week games ??

 

[Dinowolf]

A top top centre half needed this January. I've said this for a while.

I've also said that a quality CB is an essential requirement and couldn't believe it when we brought Stearman back.
I was appeased with the thought that he was brought in as a stop-gap, because we couldn't get our top targets and this will be corrected in January.

If that doesn't happen, then we will not achieve promotion, its as simple as that.

 

[sycophantia]

Can't help feeling people are over reacting a tad, of course it frustrating to lose to the bottom of the table but we've been in this league long enough to know this sort of thing happens. I've always though we needed an upgrade at CB, on Saturday Iorfa and especially Baath were heroic in their last ditch tackles and throwing themselves at everything but you can't go on defending like that. We tried to sign defenders but couldn't get any, so we bought in Stearman as stop gap, hopefully we're already tracking a replacement. Even with our defensive issues, I'm still encouraged by the start to our season, more good than bad imo. I'm not sure our players are up to the fitness levels yet to play our current style for 90 minutes, but hopefully that will improve, most of our matches we are playing with minimal possession, which I don't have a problem with provided we can get that fitness up and bring more players that can play like that. Whether Zenga gets the time to implement this remains to be seen, if we can be in or close to the playoff positions he might have a chance but I suspect our owners are the least patient we've ever had.

 

[Norman Deeley]

The defending for that last goal gets worse every time you see it. We need a top class CH and also a top class goalie in January.

 

[The Bear]

The first goal isn't much better. Players miles away from their man and not covering the man at the front post when the cross came in.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Can't help feeling people are over reacting a tad, of course it frustrating to lose to the bottom of the table but we've been in this league long enough to know this sort of thing happens. I've always though we needed an upgrade at CB, on Saturday Iorfa and especially Baath were heroic in their last ditch tackles and throwing themselves at everything but you can't go on defending like that. We tried to sign defenders but couldn't get any, so we bought in Stearman as stop gap, hopefully we're already tracking a replacement. Even with our defensive issues, I'm still encouraged by the start to our season, more good than bad imo. I'm not sure our players are up to the fitness levels yet to play our current style for 90 minutes, but hopefully that will improve, most of our matches we are playing with minimal possession, which I don't have a problem with provided we can get that fitness up and bring more players that can play like that. Whether Zenga gets the time to implement this remains to be seen, if we can be in or close to the playoff positions he might have a chance but I suspect our owners are the least patient we've ever had.

But to be a quality player you should do it week in week out. Its no good Ikeme making world class saves on Saturday onmly to be beaten from 40 yards on a Tuesday. Batth was really powder puff in the challenge for their winner just like Stearman was for goals v Barnsley. We have as histoiry of shit performances in this league in midweek especially and often against teams who are in and around the bottom. It happens far to often to be coincidence ! There is something in the collective mind set. 3 pointsdpointsd last night would have put us 3rd. Big big psychological opportunity missed going into a difficult run of games.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

The first goal isn't much better. Players miles away from their man and not covering the man at the front post when the cross came in.

6 yard tap in! Sunday league stuff especially as the whole back four will have trained against him for a year.

 

[Lord Knows]

Players make individual mistakes I can accept that as long as its not done game after game.
What I dont accept is the fact that when one key striker is unavailable the back up plan is next to none existent. It should be fairly obvious that we dont pass well enough from defence through midfield to be able to feed a fluent front three. We have to play a striker who can run the channels and chase lost causes because we dont as yet pass and move with enough quality as a team.

 

[Dinowolf]

The defending for that last goal gets worse every time you see it. We need a top class CH and also a top class goalie in January.

Totally agree.

Batth got out-muscled by Griggs, and Ikeme must take part of the blame as he was off his line too far and too early. Iorfa didn't cover himself with glory either, in fact he didn't cover anything as he stopped running.

Same with their first goal. A pass into the box that Batth made no effort to cut out and Lefondre just ran in-between the CBs and scored.

 

[Sniffer]

Griggs's first touch was on the edge of the area after a long ball up field. Batth didn't cover himself in glory but for me Ikeme should be out on the edge of his box, clearing the danger.

 

[Jack Regan]

Griggs's first touch was on the edge of the area after a long ball up field. Batth didn't cover himself in glory but for me Ikeme should be out on the edge of his box, clearing the danger.

That was my first thought, keepers starting point is surely on the edge of his own area when the ball is deep in the opposition half so not sure why he's not there to deal with it. Bare in mind I have only seen it once last night. Still shocking from all concerned either way.

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

I'm sorry, but i just can't buy this bollocks that we are great on Saturday and shit in midweek.

Who the fuck is kidding who? do the players get less wages on Tuesday than on Saturday? Is Walt allowed to field the shittiest bench this season on Tues and not on Saturday? does Baaath or Iorfa get a get out of jail free card for collecting their wages but playing like they are collecting mine on Tuesday?

I could go on, as you know, but FFS, these guys cannot be allowed to do it one day and have a significant relapse midweek, Walt has to pick a side AND a bench every game not on Holy days only.

That was the worst shite defending from a team with our ambitions i have seen in many a day, and frankly whatever day of the week it is, makes no difference, a useless cunt is a useless cunt on monday, or Sunday, so stop talking this midweek hiatus bollocks and let's talk about what's really wrong, the players?, Walt? or us lot?.

 

[fizzwolf]

I'm sorry, but i just can't buy this bollocks that we are great on Saturday and $#@! in midweek.

Who the $#@! is kidding who? do the players get less wages on Tuesday than on Saturday? Is Walt allowed to field the $#@!tiest bench this season on Tues and not on Saturday? does Baaath or Iorfa get a get out of jail free card for collecting their wages but playing like they are collecting mine on Tuesday?

I could go on, as you know, but FFS, these guys cannot be allowed to do it one day and have a significant relapse midweek, Walt has to pick a side AND a bench every game not on Holy days only.

That was the worst $#@!e defending from a team with our ambitions i have seen in many a day, and frankly whatever day of the week it is, makes no difference, a useless $#@! is a useless $#@! on monday, or Sunday, so stop talking this midweek hiatus bollocks and let's talk about what's really wrong, the players?, Walt? or us lot?.

It angers me too - I'm sure someone on here will come out with statistics to prove me wrong, or back me up, but don't we always 99% at least fuck up when we are in a position to move into a healthy looking place in the league OR concede a goal from an ex player who proved nothing in our colours, whether it was down to him or the manager, OR end a teams abysmal run of form. One or more of those always seems to happen and it gets to me each time. I was a few clicks away from posting on the match thread that there is no way Alf would score and we, now all changed, will soon drop the irritating habit of ending a teams losing streak.

It will be pushed to the back of my mind if we get a positive result Saturday evening, thanks Sky, but for how long this time?

 

[pavlosmacwolf]

Ha ha It always happened, it's gonna happen, of course xxx will score against us it's fate, they haven't won for six weeks of course they will beat us, it's written.
Well which fucker wrote it?, said it?, proffers it as a mystical fact? it's all bollocks!.

the players thought "Wigan, bottom, haven't won shit this season, pah we'll have a coffee just before the game, stroll out there with our new Portugese whizz kids, and hope for their sake, they brought vaseline with them"

The manager should have been working to stop that kind of stupid, naiive, shit thinking, from the second the final whistle went against Brentford.

It's not Tuesday night footie, it's not the jinx of ex players, it's not the myth of a team on a run of six shit games changing things, always against Wolves,
it's a bunch of cocky fuckers thinking they are Man City not poor old Wolves, and they need a good stiff kick up the arse for that kind of bollocks thinking, and Walt for fucking allowing it.

Most members of this forum could have predicted that attitude before even being asked.

That's the Wolves disease,, a bunch of cocky cunts who think they are cock of the walk, it's nothing to do with luck, the fates or the Tuesday heeby jeebies.

 

[Norman Deeley]

That was my first thought, keepers starting point is surely on the edge of his own area when the ball is deep in the opposition half so not sure why he's not there to deal with it. Bare in mind I have only seen it once last night. Still shocking from all concerned either way.

I don't pretend to be an expert on goalkeeping but have to agree with this. the first time Ikeme comes into shot for the second goal he is about 8 yards out: so starting position must have been between the sticks. That has to be wrong when the ball is deep in opponents' half. Maybe he's not a sweeper/keeper but he definitely shouldn't be leaning on the goalpost picking his nose...

 

[fizzwolf]

Ha ha It always happened, it's gonna happen, of course xxx will score against us it's fate, they haven't won for six weeks of course they will beat us, it's written.
Well which $#@!er wrote it?, said it?, proffers it as a mystical fact? it's all bollocks!.

the players thought "Wigan, bottom, haven't won $#@! this season, pah we'll have a coffee just before the game, stroll out there with our new Portugese whizz kids, and hope for their sake, they brought vaseline with them"

The manager should have been working to stop that kind of stupid, naiive, $#@! thinking, from the second the final whistle went against Brentford.

It's not Tuesday night footie, it's not the jinx of ex players, it's not the myth of a team on a run of six $#@! games changing things, always against Wolves,
it's a bunch of cocky $#@!ers thinking they are Man City not poor old Wolves, and they need a good stiff kick up the arse for that kind of bollocks thinking, and Walt for $#@!ing allowing it.

Most members of this forum could have predicted that attitude before even being asked.

That's the Wolves disease,, a bunch of cocky $#@!s who think they are cock of the walk, it's nothing to do with luck, the fates or the Tuesday heeby jeebies.

It goes hand in hand IMO - too good to lose to a shite team who haven't won for an eternity, don't need to watch xxx cus he was shite when he was here testimony of anyone who was here with them, we will move into the top two/play offs cus we just beat two form teams in the division. We haven't had the "luxury" of any Johnny Foreigner whizz kids to parade their Messi type skills before this season in such abundance as now. Maybe it is the we are Wolves and don't need to put our boots on tonght.