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VAR Stay or Go

VAR Stay or Go

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We should have had a penalty in the home game v United too.

It's impossible to quantify the points, but I'm sure it's more than 3. I thought we were at 7 a couple of months ago, that was before Bournemouth and West Ham.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
We should have had a penalty in the home game v United too.

It's impossible to quantify the points, but I'm sure it's more than 3. I thought we were at 7 a couple of months ago, that was before Bournemouth and West Ham.
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We lost the Utd game at home because Kilman is shit. No other reason.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
We should have had a penalty in the home game v United too.

It's impossible to quantify the points, but I'm sure it's more than 3. I thought we were at 7 a couple of months ago, that was before Bournemouth and West Ham.
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You are arguing a different point to the one Sniffer is making. The only points we can absolutely say we've dropped because of VAR is 3 after that it's guesswork. Even Bournemouth is projection as who knows how momentum would have changed the game if that goal had been given, do we score another with our tails up? Go gung-ho and leave ourselves open at the back and concede again? West Ham and Fulham were virtually the last touches of the game so they are givens.
 
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Johnny75 said:
You want to go back to shit refs having all the power then that's up to you but you reap what you sow.
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They have all the power now,.....just the 1 on the pitch is backed up by 3 or 4 off it. Ultimate power

We are even told after a panel has reviewed a decision that a wrong decision was made but it was the correct decision for VAR not to change it. Figure that one out

Overall, in its current form (and with automated offsides added) it won't change, hence why I want it binned. Now if they can go away and spend time working out a way they can use the system in a manner that isn't "protect my mate on the pitch" or actively set out to find reasons to disallow goals or even in some case, not openly check then great bring it back.

VAR should work but ours have spent 5 years demonstrating how not to do it properly and that isn't going to change over the summer is it. The vote won't go through though Probably be 15 say no and 1 coward of a team abstain and we will be sat here in a years time at a loss at how they make these decisions
 
Kenny said:
They have all the power now,.....just the 1 on the pitch is backed up by 3 or 4 off it. Ultimate power

We are even told after a panel has reviewed a decision that a wrong decision was made but it was the correct decision for VAR not to change it. Figure that one out

Overall, in its current form (and with automated offsides added) it won't change, hence why I want it binned. Now if they can go away and spend time working out a way they can use the system in a manner that isn't "protect my mate on the pitch" or actively set out to find reasons to disallow goals or even in some case, not openly check then great bring it back.

VAR should work but ours have spent 5 years demonstrating how not to do it properly and that isn't going to change over the summer is it. The vote won't go through though Probably be 15 say no and 1 coward of a team abstain and we will be sat here in a years time at a loss at how they make these decisions
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I don't disagree with any of that (bar the bin it bit).

They must change and I believe they will.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
We should have had a penalty in the home game v United too.

It's impossible to quantify the points, but I'm sure it's more than 3. I thought we were at 7 a couple of months ago, that was before Bournemouth and West Ham.
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Let's not forget the points we gained by var not doing its job, I'm thinking of the penalty not given against Doc against Villa and I think a penalty we got for a Neto dive (can't remember which game)
 
Johnny75 said:
I don't disagree with any of that (bar the bin it bit).

They must change and I believe they will.
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Lets just say VAR is my Fosun and you will see where I am coming from...

I think they can change it but to do it they need to go away and do it and not use game time as a way to find their solutions. A few months in the summer won't make a bit of difference
 
Tony Towner said:
You are arguing a different point to the one Sniffer is making. The only points we can absolutely say we've dropped because of VAR is 3 after that it's guesswork. Even Bournemouth is projection as who knows how momentum would have changed the game if that goal had been given, do we score another with our tails up? Go gung-ho and leave ourselves open at the back at concede again? West Ham and Fulham were virtually the last touches of the game so they are givens.
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And United.

But I think 3 points is the absolute bare minimum isn't it?
 
Kenny said:
They have all the power now,.....just the 1 on the pitch is backed up by 3 or 4 off it. Ultimate power

We are even told after a panel has reviewed a decision that a wrong decision was made but it was the correct decision for VAR not to change it. Figure that one out

Overall, in its current form (and with automated offsides added) it won't change, hence why I want it binned. Now if they can go away and spend time working out a way they can use the system in a manner that isn't "protect my mate on the pitch" or actively set out to find reasons to disallow goals or even in some case, not openly check then great bring it back.

VAR should work but ours have spent 5 years demonstrating how not to do it properly and that isn't going to change over the summer is it. The vote won't go through though Probably be 15 say no and 1 coward of a team abstain and we will be sat here in a years time at a loss at how they make these decisions
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It's the 5 years thing I find most frustrating, I was expecting teething problems but after 5 years it feels like it's getting worse.
 
sycophantia said:
Let's not forget the points we gained by var not doing its job, I'm thinking of the penalty not given against Doc against Villa and I think a penalty we got for a Neto dive (can't remember which game)
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I stand by that we should have got a penalty in the same game v Villa when Neto was obstructed.

United home game Neto dived, we didn't gain any points from that.
 
Tony Towner said:
United was an on the pitch decision though, that's what Sniffer is saying
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But thats a narrow view isn't it, as I've previously said we all think/know refs/linesman are influenced by knowing they have VAR to check on decisions they make/fail to make.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
I stand by that we should have got a penalty in the same game v Villa when Neto was obstructed.

United home game Neto dived, we didn't gain any points from that.
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I agree if var had done jts job we probably would have more points but no-where near the 9 some are saying. BTW I agree about your point that refs might not have given the decisions they did because of relying on var.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
But thats a narrow view isn't it, as I've previously said we all think/know refs/linesman are influenced by knowing they have VAR to check on decisions they fail to make either way.
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My post said without VAR, which is what the club are trying to get rid of.

I agree with your point that VAR has cost us far more points than 3.
 
sycophantia said:
I agree if var had done jts job we probably would have more points but no-where near the 9 some are saying. BTW I agree about your point that refs might not have given the decisions they did because of relying on var.
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..but the ref in the United game was screaming at our players, "its just a coming together - we don't give penalties for that" (or something similar) - He isn't changing his mind on that one
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
But thats a narrow view isn't it, as I've previously said we all think/know refs/linesman are influenced by knowing they have VAR to check on decisions they make/fail to make.
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That's the guesswork though. I don't think Anthony Taylor is a bad referee for instance so with or without VAR I think he gives the Hwang penalty, I don't believe he's thinking I'll give it and if I'm wrong they'll overturn it. Continuing to use that as the example that's the most frustrating element for me, even moreso than the time it takes or the shit in ground experience, having 2 people check a decision and still getting it wrong. Of course we'd have moaned and bitched in the past and would again in any post VAR world, but other than on the occasional example when a ref has clearly got it in for us, Halsey, Rennie etc you could chalk it down as a genuine error, rather than rank incompetence or in the case of some on here something more sinister.
 
We can discuss how many points we could have gained/lost all day.

But the facts are we've had dodgy on field decisions that should have been overturned by VAR or corrrect on field decisions that were overturned by VAR in loads of our games this season that could have seen us gain more positive results.

United away
Sheff Utd away
Newcastle home
Bournemouth home
West Ham home
Fulham away
Luton away
Man City away
United home
Brentford in the cup
Coventry in the cup

That's 11 games, around 25% of our games

Any more?
 
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