Trump

[Tony Towner]

People are also allowed to have different opinions and priorities...that's democracy

There's a general air of superiority on here and in the left leaning world in general in these kind of situations. I'm guilty of it myself, sharing clips of idiots being dumb, but if you don't find a way to connect with them you'll continue to get results like this. The likes of Trump and Farage do, they understand them and how to manipulate them (there's me being superior again). You have to take people being poorer over the last 4 years head on, because ultimately that seems to be the number one driver, despite inflation being worldwide during that period. People don't care about wider economic indicators.

There's some interesting analysis around about Biden having a blue collar background that enough people could identify with in a way that they couldn't with Clinton or Harris, his gender is also an element of that as 'wrong' as that may be. Obviously there are alternative reasons as to why he couldn't run again, but as I saw someone say (Dominic the Wolves supporting historian whose surname is alluding me) a mixed race, Californian woman isn't going to cut it.

There's lessons to be learned there even if they aren't particularly pleasant ones as there are with 'wokeness'. The number of ads I saw saying the Dems are going to take your money and give it to immigrants and people for sex changes was quite illuminating compared to how British media works. It's overt and ignoring it isn't a strategy, it'll only result in continued defeats.

 

[Dennisons Wrong Foot]

We need to stop this belittling of people who voted for him. They are not all ignorant, deplorable, etc. Many are ordinary folk, worried about living paycheck to paycheck, about the loss of well paid American jobs, and unhappy with weak leadership in DC.

We may not agree with them, but we should make an effort to understand them. No wonder we are called liberal 'elites'.

Edit - what TT says.

 

[Tony Towner]

We need to stop this belittling of people who voted for him. They are not all ignorant, deplorable, etc. Many are ordinary folk, worried about living paycheck to paycheck, about the loss of well paid American jobs, and unhappy with weak leadership in DC.

We may not agree with them, but we should make an effort to understand them. No wonder we are called liberal 'elites'.

Edit - what TT says.

Biden's garbage comment was so stupid it was incredulous given how Clinton's deplorable one played out.

 

[AndyWolves]

Someone on twitter made a good point, I can see trump / musk empowering and supporting out right wing here more.

 

[Alan]

They are not all ignorant and deplorable but they are all, every single one, willing to accept both and more from the President.

What is most infuriating is that, by and large, the economy seems to have been the key factor for Trump. The economy which is barely influenced by politicians in modern times, which an election barely has any impact on whatsoever.

Capitalism has fooled us all, and Trump has played it like a fiddle.

Capitalism created Trump, capitalism empowers Trump, capitalism devours the rest.

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Short memories...

 

[pr0sl0]

Biden's garbage comment was so stupid it was incredulous given how Clinton's deplorable one played out.

Biden wasn't the nominee, and Trump has literally called Dem voters garbage repeatedly.

I don't think it made even a tiny ripple in the water in the grand scheme of things either. Governments all over the place that were in power during the pandemic, and the inflation spike that followed, have been kicked out. The specific details might be different fro country to country but zoom out and this is exactly the kind of result you'd expect if just going off the fundamentals.

The irony too being that since that spike has now passed, wages are rising faster than inflation, prices are even coming down, and the Biden economy is pumping on all cylinders, this would have probably been a very different race if there had just been another year to wait.

 

[Tony Towner]

When he's the sitting President and the main attack plan of the opposition is she's the continuity candidate then it doesn't matter if he was the nominee or not. Pointless comparing that to what Trump says, they are judged by different standards.

I also don't think it's the reason she lost, but in the last week of the campaign she had to spend a day of it distancing herself from the comment and that's what the media was leading with. That does have an impact on messaging

 

[prawnking]

Seeing quite a few Democrats online beginning to question the result and that votes were missing/ Russian or Musk interference etc...

 

[Templeton Peck]

Do you think the Dems should veer further to the Left now?

Yep. I hope this is a wake-up for Labour that centrist policies don't represent working class people's real interests and will come back to haunt you. Trump is a rapist racist who called people cunts to their faces and he STILL got elected.

 

[prawnking]

I think it would need some genuine old school engagement from the Left to work, and an understanding of the community involved and their concerns...often the money in their pockets or fears of immigration...and they would need to be listened to.

Even then, I feel it would be an uphill struggle in America...the Left is so easily demonised over there. Witness the ludicrous sight of top GOP politicians calling moderate Democrats Communists with a straight face

 

[Tony Towner]

Seeing quite a few Democrats online beginning to question the result and that votes were missing/ Russian or Musk interference etc...

20m votes lower than 4 years ago it seems, which means people didn't turn out, votes went missing or were made up last time depending on your view. Musk interference was real, but not in an illegal way imo, he owns a platform how he chooses to operate it is his call. The FBI have said there were bomb threats in key Dem leaning polling stations which are linked to Russia.

 

[EpsomWolf]

The further left you head the further you move away from electability. Labour got in primarily because they were a moderate Conservative Party in disguise and the actual Tories were fucking useless to boot.

Polarisation is only going to play into the Right’s hands.

 

[Tony Towner]

I think it would need some genuine old school engagement from the Left to work, and an understanding of the community involved and their concerns...often the money in their pockets or fears of immigration...and they would need to be listened to.

Even then, I feel it would be an uphill struggle in America...the Left is so easily demonised over there. Witness the ludicrous sight of top GOP politicians calling moderate Democrats Communists with a straight face

Without going down that track again we saw with Corbyn that even if the policies when tested blind are well received, they need the correct person to deliver them. Left in America is centre left Tory by British standards anyway unless you go full Sanders.

 

[Alan]

It really would be funny how not-Leftist our liberal party is if there was an actual liberal alternative.

 

[Del Woppio]

Someone on twitter made a good point, I can see trump / musk empowering and supporting out right wing here more.

I think they've pretty much peaked tbh. They'll get louder certainly but they won't grow much

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

There are US tropes (religion/abortion to name two) that you simply can't tap into in the UK, it doesn't exist

 

[lemonjelly]

I think they've pretty much peaked tbh. They'll get louder certainly but they won't grow much

Don't see this tbh. Can only see them emboldened to go further.
As @pr0sl0 said, loads of in power parties have been removed recently. The UK is an outlier in that the incoming government is from "the left" (& as @EpsomWolf says, they did so under a "tory-lite" cloak).
Combined with their use of social media, can only see them growing. The biggest risk they have is infighting.

 

[Dire Wolf]

Say what, now? Seen while walking in Lewiston, New York. I don't understand Americans.

 

[ROVERT47]

Next four years could be fun in a black humour kind of way.