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[Tredman]

You waffle about freedom of speech and then try and shoot people by down by saying 'bollocks'.

I can be arsed to debate with you, you're either an idiot or racist.

 

[thehistorymakers]

I wonder what your stance would be if Obama was white...

He is half white, isn't he? Playing the race card again Johnny75. Trust you to bring it up, I haven't seen anyone else talk about race on this thread.

 

[thehistorymakers]

You waffle about freedom of speech and then try and shoot people by down by saying 'bollocks'.

I can be arsed to debate with you, you're either an idiot or racist.

Or you are very bad at arguing! Hahjaqhqh

 

[Johnny75]

He is half white, isn't he? Playing the race card again Johnny75. Trust you to bring it up, I haven't seen anyone else talk about race on this thread.

Yet Trump does it all the time and you agree with him on lots of things. A strange coincidence? Should we name you Oswald?

 

[thehistorymakers]

You and the Murdoch owned NY post are talking bollocks, not Alan.

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OK, as you only believe what the Guardian tells you and everything else is lies, try this..


Senator Robert Menendez, the Democratic chairman of the foreign relations committee and an administration loyalist, called for the US to arm the Ukrainian military with advanced weapons, that it might defend itself againstRussia.

“This is a watershed moment,” said Menendez, speaking from the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, where he is on the latest of a series of congressional fact-finding visits. “Thousands of Russian troops are here and are directly engaged in what is clearly an invasion.

“We should be providing the Ukrainians with the types of defensive weapons that will impose a cost upon [Russian president Vladimir] Putin for further aggression.”

A similar mood was on display over Syria, with Senate Democrats accusing Obama of failing to take the “extraordinarily dangerous” threat from Isis seriously enough.

On Thursday, asked about possible plans to combat Isis in Syria as well as northern Iraq, Obama told a White House press conference:“We don’t have a strategy yet.”





http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/31/obama-urged-tough-russia-isis-syria

 

[jd1981]

First of all he should have respected the democratic process in Ukraine instead of backing the people who had lost the elections. Then if you are going to cause a civil war, don't do $#@! all, when the people you backed are getting attacked by the Russians.
Obamas words are empty threats to Putin. There have been two big confrontations under Obama, Ukraine and Syria and it's 2-0 to the Russians.

2-0 to the Russians this ain't sport this is real shit, are you suggesting NATO should have deployed troops on the ground in the Ukraine?
If you think that would have been the right thing to do you're are incredibly nieve.
As Alan said the people of Crimea voted to be annexed by Russia.
What would have been the worse case scenario had Obama and other NATO states decided to go toe to toe with Russian forces?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

THM won't be happy until the world is re-enacting Red Storm Rising by the look of it. A vote for the racist bigot Trump is a great way to increase the chance of that happening as well.

He is Hitler in a bad wig. People used to say how ace the erstwhile Mr Schicklegruber was with the economy as well.

 

[Freddeno]

Agreed Paddy

 

[Alan]

Yet Trump does it all the time and you agree with him on lots of things. A strange coincidence? Should we name you Oswald?

I thought it was a poke at me tbh.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

The Trump campaign has all the style of the beer-hall putsch.

Can't wait for cristalnacht.

 

[Johnny75]

The Trump campaign has all the style of the beer-hall putsch.

Can't wait for cristalnacht.

That's what it looks like yo me too. With his sycophantic followers and despotic attitudes towards minorities.

 

[thehistorymakers]

That's what it looks like yo me too. With his sycophantic followers and despotic attitudes towards minorities.

You talking about the Labour party?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35504185

A Muslim women's group has written to Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn claiming women have been stopped from becoming councillors by Muslim men in the party.

Muslim Women's Network UK demanded an inquiry into "systematic misogyny displayed by significant numbers of Muslim male local councillors".

"They don't like women to be heard, to be empowered," it told BBC Newsnight.

 

[Alan]

You talking about the Labour party?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35504185

A Muslim women's group has written to Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn claiming women have been stopped from becoming councillors by Muslim men in the party.

Muslim Women's Network UK demanded an inquiry into "systematic misogyny displayed by significant numbers of Muslim male local councillors".

"They don't like women to be heard, to be empowered," it told BBC Newsnight.

Female representation is a problem faced by all political parties, not just the Labour.

 

[Papper]

THM - You have to differentiate and contrast the inequalities and prejudice that lay within our Society and overtly divisive/scapegoat 'Political Ideology' presented by Trump. The politics of fear are a threat to all. Divide and Conquer.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Female representation is a problem faced by all political parties, not just the Labour.

Yes, but you have men in the Labour party bullying women and not wanting Islamic women in politics.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Excellent diversion there. Don't worry. Trump will get you through it when he makes all those nasty muslims wear some form of identifying badge. Perhaps a star?

 

[thehistorymakers]

Excellent diversion there. Don't worry. Trump will get you through it when he makes all those nasty muslims wear some form of identifying badge. Perhaps a star?

As you know I don't support and dislike Trump but it would be nice to see people take their blinkers off sometimes and see the faults in the the political parties they support.

As you would know some Jewish people in the Labour party are also
saying that there is anti semetism at work in the Labour party, but the left on this forum make no comment about it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...mitism-row-threatens-to-divide-the-Party.html

Former shadow cabinet ministers call for suppressed investigation to be published as Party is accused of failing to take issue seriously

The Labour anti-Semitism row threatens to divide the Party as two former shadow cabinet ministers accuse officials of failing to take the issue seriously.

It comes as insiders claim that Jeremy Corbyn is trying to “bury" the Party’s problem with anti-Semitism after refusing to publish the original investigation into harassment of Jewish students at Oxford University, then subsuming it within a new, wider inquiry that involves unrelated complaints.

Michael Dugher MP and Rachel Reeves MP, both of whom held shadow cabinet roles under Ed Miliband, called for the initial report by Labour Students to be published immediately.

Meanwhile, Joan Ryan MP, Chair of Labour Friends of Israel,has written to Labour General Secretary Iain McNicolto express her “deep concern" about the new inquiry, chaired by Baroness Jan Royall.

She said it is “highly inappropriate” for the new investigation to be “rolled together” with other issues surrounding the Labour Youth elections which took place last weekend in Scarborough.

Two distinct investigations must be set up to “provide a degree of reassurance that allegations of anti-Semitism are being treated with the seriousness that they deserve”, she added.

•Momentum activists blamed for rise of anti-semitism at Oxford Labour Club, a senior source has claimed

Two Momentum activists - Max Shanly, 25, and James Elliott, 22, -are both understood to be the subject of allegations in the original Labour Students report. Both vigorously deny the claims.

The Party’s decision to launch a new investigation while failing to publish the initial report,led to claims that it was a “cover-up” and an attempt by Mr Corbyn to protect his favoured candidates at the Labour Youth Elections last weekend.

 

[Kenny]

Why not take that to the Corbyn thread?

 

[thehistorymakers]

Why not take that to the Corbyn thread?

Because the left on this forum are blind to critism in their own party and also, because when you get called a Racist for no reason on this thread, I am pointing out that there is quite a lot of it in their own party, but the difference being, that it is substantuated.

 

[Kenny]

Because the left on this forum are blind to critism in their own party and also, because when you get called a Racist for no reason on this thread, I am pointing out that there is quite a lot of it in their own party, but the difference being, that it is substantuated.

Right ok. I will re-phrase it.........take it to the Corbyn thread and try and discuss it there rather than trying to use it to deflect from what people are trying to talk about on this one. Ta.