The Live Match Discussion Thread: 2019/2020

[Paddingtonwolf]

Dear me. How many minutes wait was that? VAR being shite to the game again.

3-0

 

[Monstrum]

4 points we have fucking lost this season due to fucking var, we should be 5th

 

[Tony Towner]

Sheff Wed are on top, but for Leeds Costa looks more like last years, rather than the Championship version

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Definitely two as the Leicester one should never have been chalked off. I think last week it was offside so fair enough, but it's still bastard annoying.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

4 points we have fucking lost this season due to fucking var, we should be 5th

Can't really complain with any of the calls against us (bar the goal at Leicester which is a) a bollocks rule b) a bollocks rule which clearly hasn't been applied consistently).

No good just swearing about it, it won't go anywhere. You just have to hope they make it work properly. Now last night it did for the Bertrand red card, that was ideal. Quick check, quick decision, right decision, communicated properly in the ground as they showed the challenge on the screens.

 

[Monstrum]

There is no way the cutrone offside was being called without VAR, definitely 4 points for me with donks goal. Have it by all means, but more consistency, get rid of absolutely ridiculous rulings (millimeters off side, etc) and make it a lot faster.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I hear you but the argument is offside is offside is offside, whether it by yards or by the tiniest of margins. It boils my piss as I feel goals are getting chalked off, but offside is probably the one area VAR is getting correct. The handball interpretation is both shit and dreadfully inconsistent.

 

[Kenny]

I hear you but the argument is offside is offside is offside, whether it by yards or by the tiniest of margins. It boils my piss as I feel goals are getting chalked off, but offside is probably the one area VAR is getting correct. .

It is but no decision should take over 2 mins....but this topic has been talked to death already but put simply VAR can be a good thing....we are making it a shit thing

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Any "margin of error" is really hard to code in football. It's not like cricket where it's a predicted path based on technology and so you price in the element of doubt. At the point at which you freeze the frame, the pass has been played and the run is what it is. You start giving tolerance of half a metre (let's say) and all you're doing is moving the line back for no real reason. So you can be 0.5 metres offside but not 0.51 metres.

HawkEye in tennis is just accepted. If it's out by 0.1 centimetres or a centimetre, it's out.

 

[Jack Regan]

Fernandinho finally pays the price for his shithousery (not specifically today).

 

[Tony Towner]

You don't know whether the linesman would have flagged without VAR as they are told to let marginal ones go and use the check as the safety net. Who knows what he would have done without it. One positive of VAR are you aren't seeing bullshit offsides given in and around the box.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Any "margin of error" is really hard to code in football. It's not like cricket where it's a predicted path based on technology and so you price in the element of doubt. At the point at which you freeze the frame, the pass has been played and the run is what it is. You start giving tolerance of half a metre (let's say) and all you're doing is moving the line back for no real reason. So you can be 0.5 metres offside but not 0.51 metres.

HawkEye in tennis is just accepted. If it's out by 0.1 centimetres or a centimetre, it's out.

Quite. I guess. For me, the key is that offside is quite clearly a matter of purely FACT. There is no real element of opinion there, only interpretation of the pictures to decide the point. A perfect place for technology to help.

I think my main issue is where VAR is trying to deal with matters of opinion and taking decisions away from the man on the field. So far this only happens with handball nonsense really, although the red card last night was a good intervention.

 

[Tredman]

Didn’t watch the game, but just listened to the match report and read the guardian’s report and it’s all about VAR. Awesome.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Didn’t watch the game, but just listened to the match report and read the guardian’s report and it’s all about VAR. Awesome.

The media need to get away from it as they're just endlessly repeating themselves and that really wasn't the story of the game. There was plenty else to discuss.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Quite. I guess. For me, the key is that offside is quite clearly a matter of purely FACT. There is no real element of opinion there, only interpretation of the pictures to decide the point. A perfect place for technology to help.

I think my main issue is where VAR is trying to deal with matters of opinion and taking decisions away from the man on the field. So far this only happens with handball nonsense really, although the red card last night was a good intervention.

Now we saw this morning that TMO is still flawed as most of us (and other observers) think the second disallowed try was wrong (the first was fair enough and would not blame the ref for not spotting that in real time - so good use of technology). And this has been around for what, the best part of two decades? If you have humans involved at some point then there will be imperfections.

It's more about streamlining the process for me and at least striving for consistency rather than it being dependent on who is in the VAR booth on any given day.

Oh and they have to communicate it all much better inside the ground.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Now we saw this morning that TMO is still flawed as most of us (and other observers) think the second disallowed try was wrong (the first was fair enough and would not blame the ref for not spotting that in real time - so good use of technology). And this has been around for what, the best part of two decades? If you have humans involved at some point then there will be imperfections.

It's more about streamlining the process for me and at least striving for consistency rather than it being dependent on who is in the VAR booth on any given day.

Oh and they have to communicate it all much better inside the ground.

I agree with almost everything there, but what I felt was wrong about this morning's decision was that Joncker tried to take it away from Owens - "Nigel - this is my decision". Football is going down that route too - VAR makes the call and the referee has no come back. I don't like that. The final decision MUST remain with the main arbiter of the match for me.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Compare it directly with the Vahaamahina red card.

"Nigel - this is my decision"

"Jaco - I have seen foul play and I want you to look at it"

 

[AndyWolves]

Villa seem to have benefited from loads of red cards this season

Well, maybe not benefited in the grand scheme of things

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Have they? I honestly don't know how many times they have ended up playing against 10 men.

Today was right though. I like to think of it as Manchester City shithousery finally coming home to roost.

 

[Kenny]

Arsenal and Brighton I can think of straight away