The Football News Thread 2023/24

[Kenny]

The league have already set the precedent with Everton now.

Interesting to see if they stick at 10 per punishment or if back to back means they will get more deducted.

 

[Sniffer]

Interesting to see if they stick at 10 per punishment or if back to back means they will get more deducted.

Another 10 would be fair as the previous one had not been announced. Fall foul again in 2023/24 and it should be a different story should they survive this season.

 

[Kenny]

This pile of bollocks

https://twitter.com/x/status/1746931906766119318

Fuck 'em

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

This bit:

Part of EFC defence is that current rules have not taken into account inflation, spiralling transfer fees etc.

I agree with, but it's not exclusive to you, is it. Everyone else is abiding by the laws as they're written down.

This bit:

Everton's very obvious anger is also rooted in their belief that they are effectively being punished for building a magnificent new stadium, which brings jobs to the local community, beauty to the local skyline and more glamour to the Premier League.

Stop talking bollocks, you know stadium stuff isn't included.

 

[Del Woppio]

Fucking chancers, get rid

 

[Kenny]

So the defence is punished for the same years twice because we ignored it has fucked us over

Can use our own club as example of how to save that situation

We mis-managed our numbers for 2 and a bit years....thought "shit, we need to do something about this". I mean it cost us a highly paid manager and a lot of players and then we followed up into the next cycle of getting rid of some more players, reducing the wage bill and spending what we could afford to help smooth out the previous years going forward.
Obviously no praise for getting us into the situation in the first place but you can do things to stop the PL charging you.

 

[BillyDee]

OK. Retrospectively apply their last punishment to last season then..?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

So the defence of being punished for the same years twice because we ignored it has fucked us again

Can use our own club as example of how to save that situation

We mis-managed our numbers for 2 and a bit years....though "shit, we need to do something about this". I mean it cost us a highly paid manager and a lot of players and then we followed up into the next cycle of getting rid of some more players, reducing the wage bill and spending what we could afford to help smooth out the previous years going forward.
Obviously no praise for getting us into the situation in the first place but you can do things to stop the PL charging you.

Absolutely.

They own England's #1 keeper, could easily sell him for a large fee, he is better than what a number of other clubs have. But no.

 

[Sniffer]

This bit:



I agree with, but it's not exclusive to you, is it. Everyone else is abiding by the laws as they're written down.

This bit:



Stop talking bollocks, you know stadium stuff isn't included.

Highest cost will be player wages. There is no inflation on wages on a contract already signed (unless an agent has put it in as a clause which is highly doubtful!).

 

[jd1981]

The it’s not fair because it doesn’t take x,y,z into account is such a weak argument especially 18 others have managed their books.
The previous charge they argue they gained no sporting advantage. Erm that’s not a defence nor was it the reason it was bought in it’s there to prevent clubs running up debts like Portsmouth did.

 

[Kenny]

They may have another 9 points coming soon if the dodgy as hell takeover doesn't go through

 

[jd1981]

One of Forest arguments is they could’ve sold Johnson in June for £30m but held on until August and sold him for £45m. So falls into a different accounting period. Yep logic says it makes no sense, but the rules are what they’re.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

They may have another 9 points coming soon if the dodgy as hell takeover doesn't go through

Talk floating around that the PL are saying no to 777 (who are now owed around £140m by Everton)

 

[Kenny]

Talk floating around that the PL are saying no to 777 (who are now owed around £140m by Everton)

Man they want them out of the PL

i shall be avoiding part of my family in Devon for a while...

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

One of Forest arguments is they could’ve sold Johnson in June for £30m but held on until August and sold him for £45m. So falls into a different accounting period. Yep logic says it makes no sense, but the rules are what they’re.

It's bollocks isn't it.

You know when the cutoff point is, what if this higher bid never comes in or the move falls through due to a failed medical or the player not agreeing personal terms/wanting to go to whichever club it is? You can't work on hypotheticals.

If you're in a point of having to liquidate assets then you accept whatever money is on the table.

 

[Kenny]

One of Forest arguments is they could’ve sold Johnson in June for £30m but held on until August and sold him for £45m. So falls into a different accounting period. Yep logic says it makes no sense, but the rules are what they’re.

They are also buggered a little by the 1 year being under EFL spending rules. That part does feel like when we were punished by UEFA because we got good before our bank account said we could.
Harsh but then don't come up and buy 20+ players and Jessie Lingard

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

One of Forest arguments is they could’ve sold Johnson in June for £30m but held on until August and sold him for £45m. So falls into a different accounting period. Yep logic says it makes no sense, but the rules are what they’re.

Yeah that's daft isn't it. But they should have factored this in when they made their other signings.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Yeah that's daft isn't it. But they should have factored this in when they made their other signings.

Imagine this scenario. God forbid, but you're on the brink of bankruptcy and the creditors are going to send in the bailiffs any day soon.

To get you out of a hole I offer you £10k for your nice Audi.

Do you think your bank manager would be ok with saying "Dan has offered me £10k in cold hard cash right now, but give me a few weeks and I reckon I can get £14k for it"....

 

[jd1981]

It's bollocks isn't it.

You know when the cutoff point is, what if this higher bid never comes in or the move falls through due to a failed medical or the player not agreeing personal terms/wanting to go to whichever club it is? You can't work on hypotheticals.

If you're in a point of having to liquidate assets then you accept whatever money is on the table.

Yep simple counter argument how could you guarantee you were going to sell him for more 2 months later?
Like submitting your tax returns late you know it invokes a fine, only extra ordinary circumstances prevent it.
All the arguments that I’ve seen from Everton are weak and there statement today is almost an admission of guilt of the first charge they’ve had.

 

[jd1981]

No one can begrudge Luton of being the beneficiaries considering they had the biggest ever points deduction in history which condemned them to non league.