The Football News Thread 2022/23

[MARKakaJIM]

I can't imagine a Corbyn government allowing this.

What is there for the government to allow or not? An individual has sold his asset.

 

[Paul]

I can't imagine a Corbyn government

That's better

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

What is there for the government to allow or not? An individual has sold his asset.

Well JC would have ended all dealings with Saudi Arabia (at least he said he would have) so i'd imagine that this kind of deal would have been far less likely, if possible at all.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Well JC would have ended all dealings with Saudi Arabia (at least he said he would have) so i'd imagine that this kind of deal would have been far less likely, if possible at all.

How can he stop a private sale? Ending government to government dealings may have been in his remit but he couldn't control the private transactions of every UK citizen.

 

[Banjo]

Not sure if this is accurate, but I've seen it doing the rounds

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Guo is ranked tenth richest owner globally.

 

[James]

Guo is ranked tenth richest owner globally.

Twitter translate: “Open your purse Guo…”

 

[Johnny75]

Well JC would have ended all dealings with Saudi Arabia (at least he said he would have) so i'd imagine that this kind of deal would have been far less likely, if possible at all.

Ah, the magic grandpa defence. Any chance you can put this bollocks elsewhere?

 

[Johnny75]

How can he stop a private sale? Ending government to government dealings may have been in his remit but he couldn't control the private transactions of every UK citizen.

Government can veto any sale for a variety of reasons, and do more often than you think.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Guo is ranked tenth richest owner globally.

That table is a bit inconsistent though isn't it? It has the Newcastle owners as a collective, but the rest of the owners as individuals.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Yes. So if you put both Villa owners together then they would be above Guo as an individual. But if you put all of Fosun together then we would be a lot higher.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

There's a point at which such numbers become meaningless, as they bear no relevance to what happens/will happen within football.

The key figure for Newcastle is what they can spend under the terms of FFP, taking into account their moderate outlay under Ashley. The best guess estimate is around £150m over the next two windows. But it's one thing having the money, it's another thing getting the players/staff in, particularly when you're 18th in the league.

 

[WolfMan]

Think this is one of the downsides of FFP in a way it kind of entrenches the top clubs positions.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I've always taken the view that if you can prove that the money is actually there and you aren't leveraging it against the club itself, away and do what you want. It's your club, spend what you like. You throw it away on hopeless players, that's your problem.

There's scope for some kind of concept that makes for a more even contest, but FFP isn't it and never has been. Like most things Platini dreamed up, it's horribly flawed on numerous levels. Besides which, you're always going to have a situation where some clubs are bigger, richer, more attractive and more successful than others. Always been the case.

Remember our UEFA punishment was effectively for being too successful too quickly, which is perverse.

 

[Johnny75]

I've always taken the view that if you can prove that the money is actually there and you aren't leveraging it against the club itself, away and do what you want. It's your club, spend what you like. You throw it away on hopeless players, that's your problem.

There's scope for some kind of concept that makes for a more even contest, but FFP isn't it and never has been. Like most things Platini dreamed up, it's horribly flawed on numerous levels. Besides which, you're always going to have a situation where some clubs are bigger, richer, more attractive and more successful than others. Always been the case.

Remember our UEFA punishment was effectively for being too successful too quickly, which is perverse.

To add to this I’d put a luxury salary cap in. Make it so everybody in your league can compete at a reasonable level. Go over it and then the owner signs a personal guarantee they cough up the dough and has to pay a additional percentage of the wages over the top of the cap to the FA/ PL to be redistributed in the grass roots game.

It would stop players earning silly money but not stop owners spaffing millions if they want to.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Obviously they are going to need to increase commercial revenue. I don’t think there is much room for ground expansion of the two “smaller” stands, so 53,000 is pretty much their limit without trying to compulsorily purchase surrounding property. So they can’t suddenly get 10,000 more bums on seats, although there probably would be demand.

Sponsorship deals from other Saudi interests will happen, but after the Man City situation, no way will hugely inflated deals be allowed.

It’s going to have to be done in incremental steps, rather than a giant leap. And the first step has to be binning the manager and recruiting to ensure staying up. I suppose they might let him have game 1,000 out of sentiment but he is dead man walking.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Who they replace Bruce with give us a very good idea of how quickly they will become a super club.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I think Ashley sold off loads of the surrounding land so they essentially can't expand. They could move I suppose (absolutely tons of space outside Newcastle, not a luxury we have) but they'd be daft to throw away the current location.

Commercially, Ashley was ripping them off so that won't be difficult to improve on, it'll take time though. There's also a question of how closely some firms will want to be associated with a club owned effectively by the Saudi Arabian state.

Their fixtures up to 1 January:

Tottenham (H)
Crystal Palace (A)
Chelsea (H)
Brighton (A)
Brentford (H)
Arsenal (A)
Norwich (H)
Burnley (H)
Leicester (A)
Liverpool (A)
Man City (H)
Man Utd (H)
Everton (A)
Southampton (A)

They're very likely to enter the window in serious relegation trouble, whether they retain Bruce or not (surely they won't). Players will join you at that point if you offer them enough money and the right clauses, but they won't be superstars.

I could be proven wrong of course but I don't see the likes of Conte signing up for the current gig. Maybe next summer when it's a clean slate, as it stands they have a rubbish squad and the best you can hope to do this season is stay up.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

SkyBet are offering a frankly ludicrous 50/1 on Graeme Jones being next permanent manager (I don't think they have to actually give him that title, if he takes charge of 10 games or so they normally pay out). Chucked a couple of quid on that, big spender that I am. He's highly regarded and already there. You can see them handing him the reins at least until the New Year while they line someone else up, just to get rid of the stench of Bruce.

 

[Tony Towner]

A takeover in the spring would have made it much simpler for them, starting with a clean slate. Having to stay up complicates things such as getting a Conte in. They'd be better off in their first spending wave getting decent players from the lower end of the PL in - although they'll have to overpay -the likes of Tarkowski and Zaha