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It certainly seems that way, however having listened to Button and Hamilton talk about their chances for the rest of the season I wonder if they are being too candid? It almost smells a little of a double bluff? Could they could have big updates for Silverstone and just trying to throw the others off the scent?

They will have to be massive updates. I remeber years ago when Williams were the dominant force, I think Senna and Prost were driving for them at the time. Kindly correct me if I am wrong. These things go in cycles. On another point, it is nice to see Ferrari looking something like they should. About time too.
 
They will have to be massive updates. I remeber years ago when Williams were the dominant force, I think Senna and Prost were driving for them at the time. Kindly correct me if I am wrong. These things go in cycles. On another point, it is nice to see Ferrari looking something like they should. About time too.

Prost and Hill. Senna joined when the car wasn't dominant in 1994.
 
Ferrari supposedly have a big upgrade for Silverstone, but I seriously doubt it will be enough to get near Red Bull, especially at Silverstone which is pretty much perfect for the Red Bull.

McLaren have been fine recently, the high temperatures mixed with the large number of traction zones destroyed their race in Valencia. The Ferrari's have great traction and are probably the best on the brakes, so Montreal, Valencia, Monaco suited them pretty well. McLaren have a problem with rear downforce (which could be highlighted even further with the banning of off throttle exhaust gases at Silverstone), but in general they have a quick car too. They did win in Canada, and were right on the pace in Monaco/Barcelona. Lewis' poor driving has cost them more than anything else.

Previously, we were used to seeing two teams battling it out, and the performance of each car would vary track to track, as it still does now. However, the new kid on the block have designed a car that is almost perfect. The Ferrari's and McLaren's are good cars, just look how far they are ahead of everybody else, but the performance of the Red Bull is simply staggering and a car like that will be quick regardless of the circuit.
 
Prost and Hill. Senna joined when the car wasn't dominant in 1994.

Mansell and Patrese were driving when they were at their most dominant. Hill joined after Senna.
 
Damon started in 93 with Prost, which is statistically their best season. Prost retired at the end of 93, Senna took over and DC came in after Imola.
 
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Ferrari will possibly struggle in Silverstone because Pirelli are taking the Hard and Soft compounds. Alonso struggled badly getting heat into the Hard tyre at Barcelona and was lapped IIRC.
 
Mansell and Patrese were driving when they were at their most dominant. Hill joined after Senna.

As Nando said, 1993 was statistically their best season and Hill was there in 1993. But the Mansell car was pretty impressive stuff as well!
 
You can use facts to prove anything.
 
Red 5, Red Nige.

Mansell was great, he raced all the time, and like Senna would never settle for a position, but push and push. Thats why it is called Motor racing
 
Williams are going back to Renault engines to try to re-energise their slumping standards.
 
The Williams decline has been alarming. It can't all be down to engine supplier....can it?????
 
Their internal structure and design team is what failed them. Nowadays it's 90% aero, 10% engine. It's no wonder Sam Michael resigned.
 
Their internal structure and design team is what failed them. Nowadays it's 90% aero, 10% engine. It's no wonder Sam Michael resigned.

Thanks for that. So will their returning to Renault not make any difference?
 
Williams decline is all because of their limited finances. Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull and Mercedes have huge budgets, from sponsorship or directly from the manufacturer. A family friend was an aerodynamicist there, but got made redundant along with a number of other fellow aero engineers.

I was lucky enough to spend a week there on work experience three years ago, fabulous company but I can't see them competing at the front end again for a while. When they're hiring a decent driver in Maldonado because he provides a considerable amount of sponsorship money, instead of a prodigous talent like Hulkenberg, you know they're really in trouble.
 
Williams first started getting good when they brought out the car with fly saudia sponsorship and keke rosberg was driving for them.
 
Gorgeous car, it's the first car on display as you walk into the factory.

Keke didn't score a point in 81, before moving to Williams in 82 and winning the title. Crazy.
 
How did you manage to get yourself into a place like that for work experience Nando? Pretty much everyone else just ends up with some dull position in a smalltime local company.
 
The family friend I mentioned said they run a work experience week every year, as at the time I was hoping to study engineering ( I went after I finished the first year of college). He gave me the address to write to, and I managed to get in for the week. Fantastic experience, but it made me realise that I didn't want to be an engineer, so I dropped my maths and physics and focused on Geography which I was miles better at.

Sitting having lunch, with Patrick Head and Sam Michael on the next table was pretty surreal.
 
Sure beats the work experience i did at the place where my dad used to work in Wolverhampton, my dad and the only other bloke there i knew where away from 8 of the 10 days i was there so i may as well have just let the school send me wherever they wanted instead of organising it myself.
 
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