The F1 Thread

[Deutsch Wolf]

I haven't got a problem with team strategy, Ferrari know Vettel is far more likely to win the drivers' title than Raikkonen, he's ahead by a way already anyway and any big gain they could pull over Lewis this weekend was best to be maximised. No problem. Although I don't see how Seb was passing him without being favoured on strategy and he clearly was in the end, it wasn't even subtle.

Just don't get how anyone could call that a fantastic race. Even in the context of Monaco GPs alone it was awful. They normally have *some* action, other than the lower midfield going haywire for 15 minutes towards the end - which impacted on no-one other than themselves ultimately - there was nothing. In a near two hour race you couldn't pull out five minutes of legitimate highlights. And yeah, it's Monaco, I expect it. Especially knowing what we know about the wider tyres etc and the dirty air. But still, it was even less eventful than I could have dreamt.

 

[Freddeno]

you have your view, I have mine..Vettel is a better driver than Kimi..dont think it was ferrari orders but hey ho, everybody has their own opinion

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Teams habitually leave one driver out for five laps longer than the other now?

Of course Seb is better than Kimi, it isn't even close. He didn't win this one through skill though.

 

[Freddeno]

Teams habitually leave one driver out for five laps longer than the other now?

Of course Seb is better than Kimi, it isn't even close. He didn't win this one through skill though.

when kimi got in the pitlane seb pushed to win the race..surely you see that?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Of course it was bloody ferrari orders.

 

[Nando]

Vettel is undoubtedly the better driver. Kimi was brought out into traffic which is never ideal, but at Monaco it's an absolute killer.

I enjoyed the race, but I wouldn't call it fantastic!

 

[Freddeno]

fantastic race from vettel...i meant...should i put it in versal too?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

He drove round in second all race and never threatened the lead until it was given to him by the strategists.

 

[Nando]

He absolutely nailed it when he had to, so yep, fair play to Seb.

 

[Freddeno]

ok paddy, you're always right..

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

when kimi got in the pitlane seb pushed to win the race..surely you see that?

Er, yeah, because he was in the lead then. For five clear laps, with no-one in front of him.

Under the normal run of things he wouldn't have had that amount of time to stretch a lead, not a hope. If the situations were reversed then Kimi would have been called in one or two laps after Vettel.

I don't blame Ferrari, I don't begrudge Vettel the win. Not in the slightest. I understand why it happened, I just don't know why you're painting it as a great victory on his part, it wasn't. It was handed to him on a plate for fairly transparent reasons.

Next up: Mika Hakkinen earned this win, he was a better driver than David Coulthard after all and that's just natural pace getting past him on the line

 

[Freddeno]

ok, so kimi never had a free lane then in the race?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

I would say generally that if you start in second place on the grid and organically pull off 0 overtakes, while the man who started ahead of you didn't crash or have any mechanical difficulties, then you haven't really earned a win to any great extent. It is of course massively coincidental that both drivers are employed by the same team and that Vettel is the clear #1 driver.

As there were 0 overtakes in the entire race then it is understandable why Ferrari did what they did, though it sucks to be Kimi tonight. Because he didn't do anything wrong. All this after he legitimately earned pole position as well.

If you will type "Fantastic F1 race" after that then I'm not sure you can have a go if people question you on it. Be it because you phrased it incorrectly or you genuinely thought it was a really good race.

 

[Freddeno]

I MEANT A FANTASTIC RACE FROM VETTEL, stop writing that shit ok...0 overtakes? Hamilton then?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Fantastic F1 race Vettel, such a good driver

You can't blame people for misinterpreting that.

If you could describe all of Hamilton's overtakes I'd be grateful. Looked to me like he was the last one to pit and came out ahead. Actually overtook no-one because there were NO OVERTAKES.

 

[Nando]

Forget the F1 - this 500 is spectacular viewing.

 

[Freddeno]

You can't blame people for misinterpreting that.

If you could describe all of Hamilton's overtakes I'd be grateful. Looked to me like he was the last one to pit and came out ahead. Actually overtook no-one because there were NO OVERTAKES.

No, im perfectly fine as it is.. too upset right now

 

[Carrotdude]

He absolutely nailed it when he had to, so yep, fair play to Seb.

I agree, same with Ricciardo they had to put in some superb laps when they had a chance and both did it brilliantly. Ferrari clearly did it at a time when Seb had a very good chance to leapfrog but I'm not sure why red bull pitted max early.

The fact that the softest tyres could do the full 78 laps comfortably made it even more boring this year as no one even had any pressure to pit at any point

 

[Nando]

Fuck off Honda. Just fuck off. Useless bastards.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Such a shame. Not a bad debut in the race for Fernando though.