The F1 Thread

[Paddingtonwolf]

They have tried tyres. They have tried refuelling. They have tried DRS. And still it is bastard hard to overtake.

Certain aerodynamics need to be compulsorily the same across the field to try and get rid of the dirty air fucks you up shit. Also each car should be filled with exactly the same amount of fuel, which should be enough to complete the race flat out as calculated by the race authorities. That would be lift and coast gone forever, in one instant. If you lift and coast, you finish with more fuel and in a heavier and slower car.

 

[PuntsWolf]

There's always going to be dirty air. Any type of car travelling produces dirty air as it is turbulent whereas the lead car gets the laminar flow. Unfortunately as overtaking is difficult, the dirty air offers more disadvantage than any slip streaming and DRS realistically makes up for.

 

[Johnny75]

It has amazed me that the teams haven't successfully utilised a system that can switch between clean and dirty air and improve the performance under one or the other.

It may mean allowing some sort of mechanical switch (passive or active) but it must be better than the dross we have yo suffer now.

 

[The Bear]

That would mean active movable aero, which is banned.

 

[Johnny75]

That would mean active movable aero, which is banned.

Reading not your strong point Bear?

 

[Law's Bus]

Certain aerodynamics need to be compulsorily the same across the field to try and get rid of the dirty air $#@!s you up $#@!.

The big problem is that it was the aero of the time that gave a "tow". I'd be looking at re-introducing ground effect with controlled size underfloor tunnels.

Also each car should be filled with exactly the same amount of fuel, which should be enough to complete the race flat out as calculated by the race authorities. That would be lift and coast gone forever, in one instant. If you lift and coast, you finish with more fuel and in a heavier and slower car.

It's not a new thing - indeed, it's always gone on, it's just that people don't know about it. South African GP, 1978: Mario Andretti loses the race because Colin Chapman ordered that fuel should be taken out on the grid in order to save weight.

Forcing people to carry a set amount of fuel will just make the engine manufacturers not bother about fuel consumption - as long as you hit the 100kg/race amount, then that's all you need to bother about. There should be an advantage in better fuel economy - lower car weight and an aerodynamic advantage of a smaller fuel tank.

 

[The Bear]

Reading not your strong point Bear?

Explain what your switchable system entails then?

 

[Law's Bus]

That would mean active movable aero, which is banned.

Driver-adjustable movable front wings were allowed in 2009.

 

[Johnny75]

Explain what your switchable system entails then?

Isn't DRS a switchable system? And I did say there MAY need a rule change.

As I'm not an expert in fluid dynamics I wouldn't know what changes would need to be made to improve spee/ downforce and enable an overtaking manoeuvre. I'm sure the brains in F1 are experts in this so I'm a little baffled nobody has tried yet.

 

[visage]

What this thread needs is the opinion of an esteemed engineer, who's knowledge inspires awe.....do we have one?

 

[The Bear]

What this thread needs is the opinion of an esteemed engineer, who's knowledge inspires awe.....do we have one?

He'd be wasting his time. The sort of technologies were talking about just aren't scalable.

Besides, he'd probably deny there was an issue in the first place.

 

[ROVERT47]

The real race at the moment with Mercedes being so far ahead of the rest is qualifying on Saturday.

Watched it yesterday with it being the only live sport on telly, roll on the ashes then Football.

 

[Kenny]

The real race at the moment with Mercedes being so far ahead of the rest is qualifying on Saturday.

Watched it yesterday with it being the only live sport on telly, roll on the ashes then Football.

The Mercs were a million miles ahead of the rest last season but you had Red Bull, Williams, Ferrari and towards the end of the season McLaren in a proper battle. Then the TR's, Lotus, Force India behind them in a battle. Sadly for the races, instead of going forward with their developments, the majority have gone backwards. Only really Ferrari who have improved, the Renault engine is a joke and the less said about Honda McLaren the better. Another issue is that since the Rosberg's incident with Lewis in Belgium last season they haven't really had a proper race against each other either (like the Bahrain one). Was hoping we would see one yesterday as they went into the first few corners battling but the safety car ended that mini battle/

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Sadly, at the moment it is best to watch the start, see what happens at the first couple of corners, and then come back a couple of hours later to see which Mercedes driver has won.

 

[The Bear]

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Christian Horner denies he has been sacked by Red Bull, and says he will carry on to try to improve things for the troubled team.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

First practice just started at Silverstone. Interesting new nose on the Force India. Trying to get the aerodynamic effect of last year's Anteater noses but with a long nose that is compliant with crash test requirements has seen them try a nose with two aerodynamic holes in it. Quite a neat solution if it works and it looks okay from an aesthetic point of view.

 

[The Bear]

Looks weird. They were running that new nose at the test after the last GP.

 

[Kenny]

Mercs may be in trouble for covering up Nico's car after it failed in FP1

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Beeb reckon it'll be a fine rather than grid/points penalties.

Please let's have a good race this weekend. Generally it's a given with Silverstone but then so is Montreal normally and that was poor.