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Summer 2022 Transfer Window

1986 said:
Businesses are based on the bottom line . Yes - coming 10th rather than pushing for Europe is a blow to the bottom line - there is no denying that .
However I don't want to be either Everton or Chelsea - or any other club that is losing money hand over fist .

You're right in what you say about our owners in their lack of knowledge of football matters - but we also don't know whether this is a long term project on the part of FOSUN or whether they will flip us quite soon . If it is long term then there is no way that they would want us to get relegated and should act accordingly .

At the same time , we are not alone - you would think that Man U would be full of people making good decisions on footballing matters - but look what's happened there in the years since Ferguson left . Mad stuff .

FOSUN might not have all the right people in the right places , but they are still making decisions with regard to present and future players based on a business model - at least that is their intention .

In terms of investing profits for future growth - lets wait till the transfer window is closed before confirming that they are not doing it . I get the disappointment etc.......but people do have to remember that we are not a top 6 club , therefore a lot of top players do not want to come to us for that very reason no matter how much we pay them .
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This is just laughable stuff and you keep saying the same thing despite the evidence of your eyes and ears.

The ask Wolves nonsense, Jeff's rubbish, the change in long term plan, the shelving of ground improvements.

These are all things that tell you they aren't in it for the long term and have no plan.

And that's before you get to the zero net spend on transfers, the profits that have been made year on year and the appalling transfer spending.

They're fucking clueless. Fosun can fuck off. Just a bunch of Chinese Ashley's.
 
Johnny75 said:
This is just laughable stuff and you keep saying the same thing despite the evidence of your eyes and ears.

The ask Wolves nonsense, Jeff's rubbish, the change in long term plan, the shelving of ground improvements.

These are all things that tell you they aren't in it for the long term and have no plan.

And that's before you get to the zero net spend on transfers, the profits that have been made year on year and the appalling transfer spending.

They're fucking clueless. Fosun can fuck off. Just a bunch of Chinese Ashley's.
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You have no idea what their long term plan is . You're just guessing .

FOSUN had no history of being in charge of a football club before as far as I'm aware . Their stated ambitions at the start were far too strong , that much is true .

They got us to the Premier League , and now the trick is to keep us there , finishing as strong as possible every year.......that last bit is way more difficult than most people think .

People might not want Lage - but who else will agree to come and manage us - and succeed . It's a big risk no matter who you choose .
Same applies to players - we got Neves when he was hardly known as a player , would we get him now ?

Far too many posters here think that the solution to climbing much higher up the table is easy - it's not , far from it .

I'm no admirer of FOSUN , but it matters little who the owners are.......unless you have deep deep pockets and run the club as a hobby .
 
1986 said:
You have no idea what their long term plan is . You're just guessing .

FOSUN had no history of being in charge of a football club before as far as I'm aware . Their stated ambitions at the start were far too strong , that much is true .

They got us to the Premier League , and now the trick is to keep us there , finishing as strong as possible every year.......that last bit is way more difficult than most people think .

People might not want Lage - but who else will agree to come and manage us - and succeed . It's a big risk no matter who you choose .
Same applies to players - we got Neves when he was hardly known as a player , would we get him now ?

Far too many posters here think that the solution to climbing much higher up the table is easy - it's not , far from it .

I'm no admirer of FOSUN , but it matters little who the owners are.......unless you have deep deep pockets and run the club as a hobby .
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What a load of bollocks. Just like this shit from Jeff


It's an incoherent load of bollocks but does outline his long term plan.

He mentions floating on the stock exchange in the AskWolves interview, just as stocks have seen a huge drop in value and floating would be a terrible idea given the recession looming.

The man's a genuine fucking moron, miles out of his depth.

On the football side of things, just because you had no idea who Neves was please don't think that others don't. After all he had captained Porto at that point, in the Champions league no less.

And to add to that your patronising nonsense on how a club performs in the PL is more out of tune than Diana Ross.
 
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1986 said:
You have no idea what their long term plan is . You're just guessing .

FOSUN had no history of being in charge of a football club before as far as I'm aware . Their stated ambitions at the start were far too strong , that much is true .

They got us to the Premier League , and now the trick is to keep us there , finishing as strong as possible every year.......that last bit is way more difficult than most people think .

People might not want Lage - but who else will agree to come and manage us - and succeed . It's a big risk no matter who you choose .
Same applies to players - we got Neves when he was hardly known as a player , would we get him now ?

Far too many posters here think that the solution to climbing much higher up the table is easy - it's not , far from it .

I'm no admirer of FOSUN , but it matters little who the owners are.......unless you have deep deep pockets and run the club as a hobby .
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I'm not going to abuse you for having a different opinion to the majority on here. In fact, fair play to you. But I disagree with you. Fosun had no experience of owning a football club, you're correct. They made some idiotic choices at the start (Zenga anyone?), and were spoonfed some world class players which we had no right to have, due to the Mendes connection. We finally fell lucky with Nuno and he, along with the playing staff, were the main reason for the leap and successes in the PL. The alarming sign now is that Jeff Shi and the recruitment team don't appear to have learnt their lessons from mistakes made over the last 2-3 years. They have got rid of Laurie Dalrymple & Kevin Thelwell, not replaced them, and moved others - mainly "yes" men - in to prominent roles when their skillsets appear to suggest otherwise. Arguably we've gone backwards both ON and OFF the pitch. We're charging more than we've ever charged to get inside the ground and on the flip side appear to be doing very little to improve the main part of the "brand" - the fucking first team squad. So this is why you're in a minority and I think you're on a hiding to nothing.

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Carrotdude said:
Also, If he’s signed a contract we would have announced it. Literally no reason not to.
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Maybe they think announcing him will count as a new signing.

Much like a hwang and silva number change …
 
Johnny75 said:
What a load of bollocks. Just like this shit from Jeff


It's an incoherent load of bollocks but does outline his long term plan.

He mentions floating on the stock exchange in the AskWolves interview, just as stocks have seen a huge drop in value and floating would be a terrible idea given the recession looming.

The man's a genuine fucking moron, miles out of his depth.

On the football side of things, just because you had no idea who Neves was please don't think that others don't. After all he had captained Porto at that point, in the Champions league no less.

And to add to that your patronising nonsense on how a club performs in the PL is more out of tune than Diana Ross.
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Harsh on Diana
 
The level of knowledge and insight on this message board into the Club's innerworkings, it's personnel, operations and decisions is sometimes quite breath-taking. I would hate to think it's all supposition and guesswork.

Constructive criticism should always be welcome in any walk of life, and where it is justified and based on reason and fact, it should always be gladly taken on board and thoughtfully considered.

For some people though, nothing will ever be good enough. We must accept this in life.

I still struggle with opinions that ascribe every success to sheer luck, and every mistake to incompetence though. Even when there is disagreement in many areas, I believe that credit should always be given where it is due. I believe that inside themselves, this is what most people would expect for themselves, and so should also be prepared to give to others.
 
Lagesse said:
The level of knowledge and insight on this message board into the Club's innerworkings, it's personnel, operations and decisions is sometimes quite breath-taking. I would hate to think it's all supposition and guesswork.

Constructive criticism should always be welcome in any walk of life, and where it is justified and based on reason and fact, it should always be gladly taken on board and thoughtfully considered.

For some people though, nothing will ever be good enough. We must accept this in life.

I still struggle with opinions that ascribe every success to sheer luck, and every mistake to incompetence though. Even when there is disagreement in many areas, I believe that credit should always be given where it is due. I believe that inside themselves, this is what most people would expect for themselves, and so should also be prepared to give to others.
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Wise words Jeff.
 
Lagesse said:
Constructive criticism should always be welcome in any walk of life, and where it is justified and based on reason and fact, it should always be gladly taken on board and thoughtfully considered.
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Have we improved the squad since the second season in the Premier League? On the basis that we have finished 13th and 10th as opposed to 7th and 7th, which is fact, I would say not.

Lagesse said:
For some people though, nothing will ever be good enough. We must accept this in life.
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Pretty much everyone on here were delighted with our first two seasons in the Premier League with the manager and those running the club quite rightly praised. There was genuine excitement that a couple of signings could help a push for the Champions League spots.
Lagesse said:
I still struggle with opinions that ascribe every success to sheer luck
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The early recruitment was praised and I would say that only since the summer window of last year that this forum had a majority that started to criticise the recruitment. Why take a risk of bringing in a relatively inexperienced manager who had a reputation for playing attacking football, but not back him by bringing in players who would suit his perceived preferred formation? Jose Sa, despite doubts from me and many others when we replaced Portugal's No.1 keeper with their fourth choice, was indeed a success and I think he may have got close to the player of the year vote on this forum.
Lagesse said:
, and every mistake to incompetence though.
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All clubs have transfer failures and we were never going to be immune from that. We also reached a ceiling of the players in the Mendes camp who wanted to come to the club. The players we needed to try and progress were either too expensive or wanted to go to a side with Champions League football on offer. As the project aim of the club changed, you can understand that we could also not be seen as being an interesting project for some players too.
Charging supporters additional fees for season tickets, referring to them as legacy fans, lying about FFP restraints and prices at other clubs are all failures at board level. One place higher in the league would negate any increase in season ticket prices yet that never gets mentioned in conversations about ticket prices, which are chicken feed in the grand scale of Premier League Income.
Lagesse said:
Even when there is disagreement in many areas, I believe that credit should always be given where it is due. I believe that inside themselves, this is what most people would expect for themselves, and so should also be prepared to give to others.
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As listed above, many would be able to list a whole list of successes with the current regime, but quite rightly reserve the right to question a number of issues that seem to be arising. It wouldn't be much of a discussion forum if we all saluted everything good that happens but ignore any negative points.
 
Lagesse said:
The level of knowledge and insight on this message board into the Club's innerworkings, it's personnel, operations and decisions is sometimes quite breath-taking. I would hate to think it's all supposition and guesswork.

Constructive criticism should always be welcome in any walk of life, and where it is justified and based on reason and fact, it should always be gladly taken on board and thoughtfully considered.

For some people though, nothing will ever be good enough. We must accept this in life.

I still struggle with opinions that ascribe every success to sheer luck, and every mistake to incompetence though. Even when there is disagreement in many areas, I believe that credit should always be given where it is due. I believe that inside themselves, this is what most people would expect for themselves, and so should also be prepared to give to others.
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Earlier in the week you told me this was a Summer 2022 Transfer Thread so analysis of previous windows wasn't relevant. Now you are saying not enough respect is being given for previous achievements. This feels somewhat inconsistent
 
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