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Southampton (H) 9/11: Build-Up & Match Thread

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I think GON has made it personal, criticising the transfer policy on one hand and not picking what he’s been given. He’s got his excuses lined up and he’ll take the sympathy from all bar Wolves fans when he’s gone. Don’t get me wrong the window wasn’t a good one but how all of Gomes, Lima, Andre and Forbs to a lesser extent haven’t got more minutes is baffling.
 
May I ask, why are you so against 3 at the back?
Because it's crap.

- Doesn't stop us conceding goals, far from it
- Limits us horribly in possession
- Wing backs don't have anything like enough output going forward to justify that position
- Means we have to leave out a better player further up the pitch (most obviously André here)

It was great under Nuno with completely different players, ages ago. It has been awful for years and we keep clutching to it like a stupid comfort blanket. In the last two games we've started with it, gone behind and had to change it anyway.
 
Because it's crap.

- Doesn't stop us conceding goals, far from it
- Limits us horribly in possession
- Wing backs don't have anything like enough output going forward to justify that position
- Means we have to leave out a better player further up the pitch (most obviously André here)

It was great under Nuno with completely different players, ages ago. It has been awful for years and we keep clutching to it like a stupid comfort blanket. In the last two games we've started with it, gone behind and had to change it anyway.
Despite O'Neil saying he didn't want to play it against Brighton, but did anyway and then praised himself for changing it quickly at HT, and then sticking with it since
 
Because it's crap.

- Doesn't stop us conceding goals, far from it
- Limits us horribly in possession
- Wing backs don't have anything like enough output going forward to justify that position
- Means we have to leave out a better player further up the pitch (most obviously André here)

It was great under Nuno, ages ago. It has been awful for years and we keep clutching to it like a stupid comfort blanket. In the last two games we've started with it, gone behind and had to change it anyway.
Thanks.

Personally, I think that we need to be able to change formation two, three, four times a game if it demands it.
Conceding goals comes down to a lack of discipline as certain players wander off and then our overall failure to track runs and mark open opposition men in the box.

I disagree about it being limiting in possession. IMO, football is a simple game of pass and move. It doesn't matter what formation you play if players move into space to receive the ball and then use it well. The issue is that very often they make poor passes and fail to do the simple things properly.

I take your point re: wing backs but what you are really talking about is the quality of a wing back. And I agree, ours don't do that job well on the whole.

Agree, Nuno had it sorted. And in fairness to your point of view, we did have problems scoring goals from that system.

Thank you for your counter points.
 
Tbf I think that was a valid argument when we were talking about upgrading on Nuno. Not so much in Gary O'Neil's case, it'd be hard to find worse.
Agreed, but I guess what I'm saying I think we have more chance with GON +3 points than Frank Lampard and none. Not that I think we'll win today anyway.
 
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IMO, football is a simple game of pass and move.
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It doesn't matter what formation you play if players move into space to receive the ball and then use it well.
Unfortunately we have a manager who doesn't understand this, or at least not how to coach it.
 
Agreed, but I guess what I'm saying I think we have more chance with GON +3 points than Frank Lampard and now. Not that I think we'll win today anyway.
If the options were keep Gary and go down or hire that 9/11-pantomiming cunt and stay up... Honestly would be a tough choice for me.
 
Thanks.

Personally, I think that we need to be able to change formation two, three, four times a game if it demands it.
Conceding goals comes down to a lack of discipline as certain players wander off and then our overall failure to track runs and mark open opposition men in the box.

I disagree about it being limiting in possession. IMO, football is a simple game of pass and move. It doesn't matter what formation you play if players move into space to receive the ball and then use it well. The issue is that very often they make poor passes and fail to do the simple things properly.

I take your point re: wing backs but what you are really talking about is the quality of a wing back. And I agree, ours don't do that job well on the whole.

Agree, Nuno had it sorted. And in fairness to your point of view, we did have problems scoring goals from that system.

Thank you for your counter points.
Completely disagree. That’s because I have to sit there and watch this awful system week in week out.

What we need to start with is the ability to play one system well, not a multitude inadequately.

You would be amazed to see these players thrive under different leadership, but it will happen when they leave. The diagnosis that our problems come down to a collection of individual incidents and players is the Sunday league manager conclusion.
 
Personally I would have dropped RAN, played four at the back, with Toti on the left. Used Andre and Jaoa slightly deeper than Lemina, which would give the back four additional protection. And allowed Lemina a bit of a 'free role' as thats generally how he plays. Let Sarabia and Cunha who are 'technically' good feed and play off JSL.
Put round pegs in round holes and let them play to their strengths.
 
Toti only works/has worked in that hybrid role with Rayan in a hybrid role ahead of him IMO. I don't think Rayan is a very good defender but he's trained in those instincts more than anyone else we could put there (and please, Gary, don't put that evil on Jean again, he's been shafted enough).
 
Sarabia best not being his sloppy ass game today
 
Sarabia best not being his sloppy ass game today
It'll be interesting. I'd have to think the players are aware how thin a thread GO's job is (or, hopefully is) hanging from.
 
Completely disagree. That’s because I have to sit there and watch this awful system week in week out.

What we need to start with is the ability to play one system well, not a multitude inadequately.

You would be amazed to see these players thrive under different leadership, but it will happen when they leave. The diagnosis that our problems come down to a collection of individual incidents and players is the Sunday league manager conclusion.
Well, we are supposed to be a professional football club in the elite league in our country. We are supposed to have professional players and coaches. They should be able to work together to solve problems, offer innovative solutions and be able to pass a football to each other.

Other teams have managed to do it and the best are able to change things to influence a game in their favour.

I agree that this coach has had his day and he still hasn't worked out how to stop the flow of goals into our net.
 
Johnstone was already a bad signing but now I am wondering if he was told not to use Sa originally due to a presumed sale?
 
Well, we are supposed to be a professional football club in the elite league in our country. We are supposed to have professional players and coaches. They should be able to work together to solve problems, offer innovative solutions and be able to pass a football to each other.

Other teams have managed to do it and the best are able to change things to influence a game in their favour.

I agree that this coach has had his day and he still hasn't worked out how to stop the flow of goals into our net.
You've answered your own question.

Every team in this league is elite and using every resource available to solve their problems and improve, if not financially from the owners than at least strategically from the coaches and staff.

You have to ask yourself if it benefits the squad more to be mostly practiced in a few styles or viciously specialized in one. Tweaks will, of course, be necessary, and the best managers evolve with time, but look at the best managers in the world; they generally have a very specific set of tactical principles that they drill to their players until it is second nature. Which, not coincidentally, is one of Nuno's key strengths.
 
Johnstone was already a bad signing but now I am wondering if he was told not to use Sa originally due to a presumed sale?
They cocked the sale up themselves by being greedy. Sa pre the Johnstone signing was appalling. He deserved to be dropped and we should have been looking to buy better. Stunning chance Ramsdale will be motm today to demonstrate the point
 
Won’t complain about that start!
 
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