Societal collapse?

[pavlosmacwolf]

I never talked about balancing out. I talked about acknowledgement that posting about corruption from one side and ignoring from the other side, is not really condemning corruption, but using propaganda as a political tool. The objective in this case, is to attack the opposition, not corruption.

So you aren't going to post any examples of corruption by the left at all then?

 

[leedswolf]

I just asked you to call out all corruption, which you wont and that tells you more about you than me. You might not want to hear that, but it is the truth. I wasn't point scoring, because as I pointed out, I never said corruption belongs to one party and I get attacked because I asked you to call out all corruption, which you don't want to. All corruption to me is as bad as each other. You are incapable of an unbiased response and you hope to freeze me out of a conversation, instead of facing up to the problem. It is not difficult to say, Socialists just like the right have misused EU funding with corruption. Something which you find incapable of acknowledging. Your solution is to shut me out and put pressure on, that I have to shut up instead of you coming to terms with your one side judgemental attacks.

Poppycock.
You asked me if I did not know of Socialist corruption. My response was ''No', which means yes I do know.

You then asked if I did know (my answer was 'yes') and the third part was if I chose to ignore it, etc. I answered 'No'.

If you had bothered to actually read my responses instead of dimissing them with a laughing emoji, maybe it would have prevented all your self pontification?

Good afternoon.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Poppycock.
You asked me if I did not know of Socialist corruption. My response was ''No', which means yes I do know.

You then asked if I did know (my answer was 'yes') and the third part was if I chose to ignore it, etc. I answered 'No'.

If you had bothered to actually read my responses instead of dimissing them with a laughing emoji, maybe it would have prevented all your self pontification?

Good afternoon.

"Poppycock.
You asked me if I did not know of Socialist corruption. My response was ''No', which means yes I do know"

Oh, so you were being deliberately obtuse. So why do you only post about right wing corruption, but never mention the corruption from the Socialists, if you know about it?

 

[The Saturday Boy]

I never talked about balancing out. I talked about acknowledgement that posting about corruption from one side and ignoring from the other side, is not really condemning corruption, but using propaganda as a political tool. The objective in this case, is to attack the opposition, not corruption.

Where have I mentioned "balancing out"? I wanted you to provide examples of this long list you have so we could discuss them. You haven't provided any examples.

You could, for example, have mentioned the Qatargate issue which is ongoing and I am sure you have many more examples to share.

 

[leedswolf]

"Poppycock.
You asked me if I did not know of Socialist corruption. My response was ''No', which means yes I do know"

Oh, so you were being deliberately obtuse. So why do you only post about right wing corruption, but never mention the corruption from the Socialists, if you know about it?

No I wasn't being deliberately obtuse ffs. I answered your negative question.

I didn't see the need to mention socialist/left or centre corruption for that matter.

Unfortunately I'm running out of my options to politely tell you to "fuck off", so please go away and leave me alone. It's boring for me as I'm sure it is for all the other users of this forum.

You are a waste of bandwidth.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Where have I mentioned "balancing out"? I wanted you to provide examples of this long list you have so we could discuss them. You haven't provided any examples.

You could, for example, have mentioned the Qatargate issue which is ongoing and I am sure you have many more examples to share.

Of course I know about Qatargate and other cases, but my point all the time that the issue wasn't pointing out one sides corruption, because I would then be doing what the poster who I was responding to does, use one sides corruption. What I was always getting at, the problem is if you don't condemn corruption from your own side, but condemn and use it when it is the far right, then corruption isn't really the problem for you, but a tool you can attack your political enemies, whilst ignoring the corruption from the people you support.
I have zero tolerance for corruption and call it out from all parties and refuse to follow a party line on it.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

No I wasn't being deliberately obtuse ffs. I answered your negative question.

I didn't see the need to mention socialist/left or centre corruption for that matter.

Unfortunately I'm running out of my options to politely tell you to "fuck off", so please go away and leave me alone. It's boring for me as I'm sure it is for all the other users of this forum.

You are a waste of bandwidth.

I was just pointing out your complete hypocrisy. What you want is to sprout one sided political propaganda and not get called out for it and when you do and when you feel cornered you get aggressive and start insulting people.
You can get away with in a small world and you must feel it makes you look important. I have no doubt you are an intelligent person and I respect on the whole your political views and agree with them, but I will always put justice and fairness before any political line, something you repeatedly demonstrate you are incapable of.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

To be accurate, he actually said Socialists...not the left.

Andalucía Socialist ex-presidents convicted in ERE case – Progressive Spain

progressivespain.com

And if that isn't bad enough, the now Spanish Socialists government has pardoned them so they can return to public office. They admit the guilt, of stealing hundreds of millions and now the government, from the same party, let's them off their crimes.

Parliamentary question | Spanish Government’s pardon of the corrupt officials convicted by the Spanish Supreme Court in the ERE case | E-003122/2023 | European Parliament

Question for written answer E-003122/2023 to the Commission Rule 138 Dolors Montserrat (PPE)

www.europarl.europa.eu

 

[The Saturday Boy]

Of course I know about Qatargate and other cases, but my point all the time that the issue wasn't pointing out one sides corruption, because I would then be doing what the poster who I was responding to does, use one sides corruption. What I was always getting at, the problem is if you don't condemn corruption from your own side, but condemn and use it when it is the far right, then corruption isn't really the problem for you, but a tool you can attack your political enemies, whilst ignoring the corruption from the people you support.
I have zero tolerance for corruption and call it out from all parties and refuse to follow a party line on it.

How do you know what is a problem for me? All I asked for were for some examples which you still haven’t provided. I’m beginning to think you are a lot of words but very little substance.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

How do you know what is a problem for me? All I asked for were for some examples which you still haven’t provided. I’m beginning to think you are a lot of words but very little substance.

You as in second plural, not as in you 2nd person singular.

 

[darlowolf64]

Andalucía Socialist ex-presidents convicted in ERE case – Progressive Spain

progressivespain.com

And if that isn't bad enough, the now Spanish Socialists government has pardoned them so they can return to public office. They admit the guilt, of stealing hundreds of millions and now the government, from the same party, let's them off their crimes.

Parliamentary question | Spanish Government’s pardon of the corrupt officials convicted by the Spanish Supreme Court in the ERE case | E-003122/2023 | European Parliament

Question for written answer E-003122/2023 to the Commission Rule 138 Dolors Montserrat (PPE)

www.europarl.europa.eu

My issue with a lot of your posts is it doesn't really affect us what is happening in Spain, France or even Germany (or all of the EU)

What is happening in the US has a massive impact on the whole world. I will call all the Trump bs out for what it is (and their whole political system is Right , Righter and WAY OVER THERE TO THE RIGHT)

 

[Sniffer]

Moderators can get involved in debates and disagree with fellow posters. Why would we be on here if we couldn’t?

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Moderators can get involved in debates and disagree with fellow posters. Why would we be on here if we couldn’t?

Of course, that is healthy, but while a moderator debates, it should be as a poster. Otherwise a moderator just moderates people he doesn't agree with politically.?
I probably agree with 95% of Darlos political ideals, but for calling out all corruption, surely I have a right do that?

 

[Alan]

Losing an argument isn't the same as having it "shut down".

 

[Walshes Wolves]

Losing an argument isn't the same as having it "shut down

It wasn't an argument, it was just a plea to call out corruption and not be blinkered. To be against that doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Alan]

People were calling out corruption.

Calling out conservative corruption does not require calling out liberal corruption. It's whataboutism that doesn't hold any content.

 

[Walshes Wolves]

People were calling out corruption.

Calling out conservative corruption does not require calling out liberal corruption. It's whataboutism that doesn't hold any content.

Alan, corruption of all sorts is wrong. You expect it of the right, but progressive politics should be about stamping out all corruption.

 

[Del Woppio]

I personally have higher behavioural expectations as we go towards the left, and expect them to behave pretty flawlessly

 

[darlowolf64]

Wait, I've "moderated and shut down" a discussion?

Don't remember doing that

 

[Alan]

Alan, corruption of all sorts is wrong. You expect it of the right, but progressive politics should be about stamping out all corruption.

Did someone say any kind of corruption is okay?

It's the "fair and balanced" BS that can get in the sea. Just because the Clintons are corrupt cunts doesn't mean I need to bring them up before I can mention that Musk paid his way into the US government.