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Societal collapse?

leedswolf said:
Meanwhile, back in 2018
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Nigel Farage 'docked half MEP salary' to reclaim misused public funds

Nigel Farage has reportedly been docked half of his monthly MEP salary after a European Parliament investigation found he had misused public funds.
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Just a quick genuine question and I have no idea which is true.
Do you genuinely not know of the many cases of socialists misusing EU funds in the EU, or do you know, but just prefer to ignore it and contribute a one sided propaganda?
 
leedswolf said:
No, yes, no.
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I could be here all afternoon giving you examples of socialist corruption in the EU, but I don't think it is any better or worst than the right's corruption.
I just don't understand what you think it achieves in giving a one sided version. You are an intelligent person. Are you hoping that you can convince some not so intelligent people, if you you give a one sided version, that corruption is a thing just of the people you don't support, on the right for example?
 
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Walshes Wolves said:
I could be here all afternoon giving you examples of socialist corruption in the EU, but I don't think it is any better or worst than the right's corruption.
I just don't understand what you think it achieves in giving a one sided version. You are an intelligent person. Are you hoping that you can convince some not so intelligent people, if you you give a one sided version, that corruption is a thing just of the people you don't support, on the right for example?
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Don't leave us hanging...please provide examples.
 
leedswolf said:
Cool. Then when you've done that can you do the same for RW groups too? Just for balance.
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I'm not sure if you understood or not, but my original post was about balance and the reason you feel you just need to give a one sided view that backs up your political views.
I feel that by ignoring corruption from political parties that you support, means that not only do we not get rid of corruption, but you are indirectly responsible for allowing the corruption to continue.
I am against all corruption and feel that it doesn't matter which party is corrupt, you only get rid of it by calling it out and not ignoring it.
 
Walshes Wolves said:
I'm not sure if you understood or not, but my original post was about balance and the reason you feel you just need to give a one sided view that backs up your political views.
I feel that by ignoring corruption from political parties that you support, means that not only do we not get rid of corruption, but you are indirectly responsible for allowing the corruption to continue.
I am against all corruption and feel that it doesn't matter which party is corrupt, you only get rid of it by calling it out and not ignoring it.
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Oh, I do understand...
 
The Saturday Boy said:
I didn’t ask for them all, I asked for examples.
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My point was never to critise and draw attention to one party, but saying there has been numerous corruption cases from the left and right, with EU money.
I just find it nonsensical for anyone with intelligence to attack continuously a political ideology that they find displeasing, but at the same time be quiet about corruption from a party with who, they share political ideals.
Maybe you should ask the poster why he ignores corruption from the left, while drawing attention to corruption from the far right, after all, I was quite happy to say there is corruption with the far right and the left and that is not only correct, but indisputable.
I find it amusing that you choose to question my fairly neutral assessment, but at the same time, ignoring why someone ignores corruption from a party that he is a follower of.
I believe you have to call out corruption in politics, whoever the perpetrator is.
 
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Walshes Wolves said:
My point was never to critise and draw attention to one party, but saying there has been numerous corruption cases from the left and right, with EU money.
I just find it nonsensical for anyone with intelligence to attack continuously a political ideology that they find displeasing, but at the same time be quiet about corruption from a party with who, they share political ideals.
Maybe you should ask the poster why he ignores corruption from the left, while drawing attention to corruption from the far right, after all, I was quite happy to say there is corruption with the far right and the left and that is not only correct, but indisputable.
I find it amusing that you choose to question my fairly neutral assessment, but at the same time, ignoring why someone ignores corruption from a party that he is a follower of.
I believe you have to call out corruption in politics, whoever the perpetrator is.
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Yeah. But examples? You have such a long list, one or two would illustrate your point.
 
Walshes Wolves said:
My point was never to critise and draw attention to one party, but saying there has been numerous corruption cases from the left and right, with EU money.
I just find it nonsensical for anyone with intelligence to attack continuously a political ideology that they find displeasing, but at the same time be quiet about corruption from a party with who, they share political ideals.
Maybe you should ask the poster why he ignores corruption from the left, while drawing attention to corruption from the far right, after all, I was quite happy to say there is corruption with the far right and the left and that is not only correct, but indisputable.
I find it amusing that you choose to question my fairly neutral assessment, but at the same time, ignoring why someone ignores corruption from a party that he is a follower of.
I believe you have to call out corruption in politics, whoever the perpetrator is.
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Whoa, some massive assumptions made there. I would appreciate it if you stopped 'putting words into my mouth' in some kind of petty point scoring. There again, you seem to have a history of picking on posters and engaging in a circular argument for the sake of it. This is my final response to you. Take your tedious wumming elsewhere...
 
leedswolf said:
Whoa, some massive assumptions made there. I would appreciate it if you stopped 'putting words into my mouth' in some kind of petty point scoring. There again, you seem to have a history of picking on posters and engaging in a circular argument for the sake of it. This is my final response to you. Take your tedious wumming elsewhere...
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I just asked you to call out all corruption, which you wont and that tells you more about you than me. You might not want to hear that, but it is the truth. I wasn't point scoring, because as I pointed out, I never said corruption belongs to one party and I get attacked because I asked you to call out all corruption, which you don't want to. All corruption to me is as bad as each other. You are incapable of an unbiased response and you hope to freeze me out of a conversation, instead of facing up to the problem. It is not difficult to say, Socialists just like the right have misused EU funding with corruption. Something which you find incapable of acknowledging. Your solution is to shut me out and put pressure on, that I have to shut up instead of you coming to terms with your one side judgemental attacks.
 
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Walshes Wolves said:
I just asked you to call out all corruption, which you wont and that tells you more about you than me. You might not want to hear that, but it is the truth. I wasn't point scoring, because as I pointed out, I never said corruption belongs to one party and I get attacked because I asked you to call out all corruption, which you don't want to. All corruption to me is as bad as each other. You are incapable of an unbiased response and you hope to freeze me out of a conversation, instead of facing up to the problem. It is not difficult to say, Socialists just like the right have misused EU funding with corruption. Something which you find incapable of acknowledging. Your solution is to shut me out and put pressure on, that I have to shut up instead of you coming to terms with your one side judgemental attacks.
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But you're saying that you have plenty of examples of corruption by people/parties on the left to balance out the examples already shown by the right, but as yet you haven't actually given those examples. If you do and prove that there us just as much corruption on the left then I'm certain everyone will condemn that corruption equally. No-one except you, apparently, has seen it though.
 
Dire Wolf said:
But you're saying that you have plenty of examples of corruption by people/parties on the left to balance out the examples already shown by the right, but as yet you haven't actually given those examples. If you do and prove that there us just as much corruption on the left then I'm certain everyone will condemn that corruption equally. No-one except you, apparently, has seen it though.
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To be accurate, he actually said Socialists...not the left.
 
Dire Wolf said:
But you're saying that you have plenty of examples of corruption by people/parties on the left to balance out the examples already shown by the right, but as yet you haven't actually given those examples. If you do and prove that there us just as much corruption on the left then I'm certain everyone will condemn that corruption equally. No-one except you, apparently, has seen it though.
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Most people are intelligent enough on here, to know that there is corruption on the left, just as there is on the right. One click on the Internet and you can find the evidence. The reason I posted I am gathering all the evidence on a post that I did followed by lol, was because I had made it evident I wasn't after doing the same as the poster concerned, which is repeating a one sided propaganda attack. My point was, you can't call out corruption from another party, if you ignore the corruption, from the political parties that he supports.
The fact you get the henchmen from the people who support the same political ideology trying to shut you up, is really contemptible. Progressive is not shutting up the people who condemn all corruption and wanting a better just world. Progressive is being just and impartial, where corruption is concerned.
 
The Saturday Boy said:
To be accurate, he actually said Socialists...not the left.
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I never talked about balancing out. I talked about acknowledgement that posting about corruption from one side and ignoring from the other side, is not really condemning corruption, but using propaganda as a political tool. The objective in this case, is to attack the opposition, not corruption.
 
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