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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD
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Tyrannosaurus Dan
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It seems to me that the world has changed but a lot of people haven't changed with it and are yearning for the unobtainable vision they have in their heads of how they believe the world used to be. Once we have left the EU we are not suddenly going to go back to this rose tinted utopia. Maybe we can then start blaming Muslims for all our problems instead once we realise it wasn't all the EU's fault after all. It certainly won't be our own government that get the blame.
No, it will be Remainers fault, for not being optimistic enough.
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It's ok. We can take cotton from India and process it in our Northern mills and sell them blankets. What's not to like?
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Its OK, because we were told countries like Australia will be queuing up to trade with us...
Err. No.:
Sweet!
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...icle-50-takes-tough-line-on-transitional-deal
Interesting.
In summary:
1) Article 50 is revocable.
2) Well have to conclude a trade deal faster than anyone ever has with the EU if we want one at all.
3) Trying to strike a trade deal with anyone else before March 2019 means no deal with Europe.
4) EU nationals in the UK retain full rights until March 2019.
5) Associate membership for individuals in the UK can be considered.
Interesting.
In summary:
1) Article 50 is revocable.
2) Well have to conclude a trade deal faster than anyone ever has with the EU if we want one at all.
3) Trying to strike a trade deal with anyone else before March 2019 means no deal with Europe.
4) EU nationals in the UK retain full rights until March 2019.
5) Associate membership for individuals in the UK can be considered.
How can any of us offer anything concrete ? It's all supposition based on opinion.
I don't know if the EU will crumble but some people think it will and will give their reasons why.
Only time will tell if they are proved to be correct.
You think that the UK Leaving the EU will be a disaster, but that's still just your opinion.
You cannot offer anything concrete on that can you ?
One of my biggest regrets was voting for Tony Blair in 1997, I just didn't realise what a huge mistake it was at the time.
Prior to that everyone was telling us how fantastic he would be and he won by a Landslide. He probably won the other two Elections because the Tories were unelectable back then, a bit like Labour are now.
Who could have predicted that he would take us into Iraq and Afghanistan with his mate George Bush ?
We vote the way we think is right at the time. Based on my research I think I have made the right choice this time.
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OK, you've done your research, great. And what has your research told you? How will life improve for those you are most concerned about? I know you can't be certain - but using your best judgement, what do you see ahead? That's not an unreasonable question to ask of someone who has so vociferously argued for such a big change, surely? If my wife suddenly declared that she wanted us to move to Bolton tomorrow, I'd like to know why she thought that was the best thing for our family and how our lives would improve.
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You'd need to ask her how leafy it was too. You can't move somewhere that doesn't meet your required tree quota.
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Yeah, but lots of brown people live there though.
Johnny, please keep up - we've already done this one. I don't care if they want to work or not it really doesn't bother me and I certainly wouldn't force them because they're probably unemployable. My point being I, yes I, do not want to be forced to keep them. Again, please be sure that I do not tar all with ze same brush. It's a shame the genuine and vulnerable suffer as a result. Plop ...
Lets be honest if people want to think that way it's entirely their prerogative and hey freedom of speech. I've said all along it's these attitudes that win votes for the Cons and probably explains the shambles of the Libs and Labs. Useful debate nonetheless but still not convinced that remain would have been the better option. Appreciate the views put forward by the more sensible but this has now done it's course for me.
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I could if she explained why a treeless environment was so important. I mean, I'd have to question the entire basis of our marriage if it turned out that she was really anti-leaf, but I'd give her a fair hearing.
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I think a lot of Remainers on here would agree that the overtly capitalist/corporate nature of the EU is far from ideal, but have come to the conclusion that the political reality in the UK means that leaving is not going to turn the UK into some sort of workers paradise (which seems to be the message of the more right-wing forum members) but will lead to more corporate influence and the further degradation of worker's rights.
And I don't think you can lay privatisation at the door of the EU.
And I don't think you can lay privatisation at the door of the EU.
Though, to be fair, if Brexit means we can start beating children again then that has to be worth it, surely?
And measuring things in bushels and furlongs. And having people who work in pubs and clubs die of cancer. Thats good too, right? And murdering innocent people? And moving back to inefficient lightbulbs that will require an extra 70Bn quids worth of generating capacity? And who doesnt miss paying for things in florins?
It says it all that the only innocuous thing in that manifesto of disgusting inhumane antiquated bollocks is the colour of our fucking passports.
And measuring things in bushels and furlongs. And having people who work in pubs and clubs die of cancer. Thats good too, right? And murdering innocent people? And moving back to inefficient lightbulbs that will require an extra 70Bn quids worth of generating capacity? And who doesnt miss paying for things in florins?
It says it all that the only innocuous thing in that manifesto of disgusting inhumane antiquated bollocks is the colour of our fucking passports.
