Hands up I really do not know the answer or feel qualified to answer. It is a horrific situation and I apologise for sitting on the fence. I would hope all rapes are reported immediately and emergency contraception given.
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Hands up I really do not know the answer or feel qualified to answer. It is a horrific situation and I apologise for sitting on the fence. I would hope all rapes are reported immediately and emergency contraception given.
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As they belong to Greece that's a bit poor really. Just the sort of "victory" Boris would happily celebrate.
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You did answer it previously, unequivocally - no human being should be able to terminate the life of another. Seems like you knew the answer, felt qualified and there was no evidence of fence sitting. Then you demand that we respect your opinion but it doesn’t seem as fixed as you led us to believe if it unravels at the first hint of a challenge.
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Probably rolled off, did they?
That's a fair point. But if you want to split hairs, talk down to me or continue an agenda over what amounts to a difficulty of position due to the circumstance being rape then that's fine if you feel you can point score from it. There is a world of difference between a life being formed from consensual and non consensual sex so there is no comparitive. As I said it is hoped all rapes are reported immediately and emergency contraception given.
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There isn’t a difference between consensual and non consensual conception from the point of view of the embryo if your stance is militaristicly pro life.
Personally I am pro-choice. It’s a really difficult subject at the best of times. Not wishing to put a moderator hat on here, but can I ask everyone to respect opposing views and discuss such an emotive topic sensitively. I have seen some almighty spats over this and we should avoid that here if possible.
Personally I am pro-choice. It’s a really difficult subject at the best of times. Not wishing to put a moderator hat on here, but can I ask everyone to respect opposing views and discuss such an emotive topic sensitively. I have seen some almighty spats over this and we should avoid that here if possible.
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I am not the one who made an unequivocal statement, demanded that posters respected your view and then rolled over at the slightest challenge. That you ‘hope’ all rapes are reported immediately suggests you don’t have a very sophisticated understanding of rape either. According to the ONS, 5 out of 6 sexual assault victims don’t report their experiences let alone report them immediately. Women are five times more likely to be a victim of sexual assault from a partner or ex partner than from a stranger which can impact on tendency to report it.
I am neither splitting hairs or continuing an agenda - I am discussing a serious issue which you seem to want to ignore because someone has the temerity to question you.
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Papper has had a personal situation which frames his view on the issue, he's clearly emotionally invested and can't see the more nuanced situations which challenge his opinion. It's why those who have lost loved ones to murder tend to favour the death penalty, emotional involvement removes the ability to be measured and dispassionate. I think it's best to leave it.
I didn't ignore the question I answered as honestly as I could and I haven't demanded that anybody respect my view I merely responded to a poster that used the words 'utter bollocks' to describe my opinion that I do not believe in abortion. Thanks for telling me I don't have a sopisticated understanding of rape when all I said was ' it is hoped that all rapes are reported immediately '. Pay attention to the words ' It is hoped' - I am fully aware it's not as simple as that. I cannot change my views on abortion even in light of the horrific circumstance of rape and while I fully accept the point Paddington made this is not a ' I am right you are wrong ' issue.
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Read my words. I suggested you didn’t have something, I didn’t tell you anything. Pay attention to the word “suggested”.
I get it is an emotive subject and for many it is deeply personal but it is absolutely an “i am right you are wrong issue” for many but that doesn’t make it a taboo subject for discussion. If it is something you don’t want to discuss fair enough but you were willing to share your opinion in the first instance.
I get it is an emotive subject and for many it is deeply personal but it is absolutely an “i am right you are wrong issue” for many but that doesn’t make it a taboo subject for discussion. If it is something you don’t want to discuss fair enough but you were willing to share your opinion in the first instance.
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If that is aimed at me, I didn't state your opinion is utter bollocks. I explained the perspective that all life is sacrosanct was bollocks. To clarify, it is an ill thought out viewpoint.
I made an admittedly facetious response, which was driving towards points others have reflected. Your initial position of all life is sacrosanct in reality has some context which you didn't provide. You meant human life, not all life.
However, there are concerns. As EP and TSB have asked, what happens regarding conception relating to rape. This was a question I wanted to ask. One step further, what if it was due to incestual rape? Josef Fritzels daughter was unable to report her assaults owing to the captivity she was kept in. As a result, she ended up giving birth to her fathers children.
Even so, your position is (in my view) untenable, or at least not as simplistic as you have presented. What happens in cases where continuing with the pregnancy would cause risks of death for the mother?
My initial reply to Deutschy (where I mentioned the words Abortion and Death penalty) was in the context of ' Any different viewpoint is deemed bollocks, made by a **tard or a troll ' whether it Brexit, Death penalty or whatever else and to be fair LJ you came up trumps (excuse the pun) by qualifying my point. I inadvertently created a ' feeding frenzy' but I suppose this goes a long way to explaining why the **tards, trolls and those espousing bollocks returned the Tories (lead by the clown) whilst the Lib/Lab Party were decimated in the recent election.
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In what world do you live in where this was a/ a feeding frenzy and b/ explains the result of the election?
You made a comment on an internet message board, that is all, and I know you have been around long enough to know when you are posting a potentially inflammatory and controversial statement. You then went on to play the victim. Even though there are many things I disagree with you on, I know you are better than this.
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Tbf Patrick Minford did say that Brexit would decimate agriculture, so at least they're keeping their promise
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excuse my ignorance but what were the previous payments for?
Not going all straw man on this but if they were for set aside as we are no longer in the EU we dont have to worry about contributing to their over production of food so fields on set aside can be used for something else rather than left. They could even be left to go to meadow which also attracts some widlife payment. Its not all bad news?
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It is likely to equate to higher prices for UK grown produce (to cover the reduced subsidies). In turn this price rise makes UK produce less appealing to other markets whilst cheaper products can come in from elsewhere (US chickens for example).
This is a (obvs worst case) scenario which sees UK farmers being unable to compete either within the UK or outside of the UK and therefore they being viable.
Then no one can manage the land!
This is a (obvs worst case) scenario which sees UK farmers being unable to compete either within the UK or outside of the UK and therefore they being viable.
Then no one can manage the land!
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Will it bollocks! Where is there any benefit in that to tories who want to make money?
My son, who runs a farm and farm shop business is thinking almost opposite. He thinks that there will be a British is best upsurge in farm products to get the country buying British. It’s happened before so he may have a point. He however has always been a Tory boy
