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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Sniffer Grouse said:
Raab levels of bigging up what is on offer to the people of NI.

...and Scotland?
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Scotland can choose Independence, get subsidised by the EU and also trade with us on similar terms to EU countries. As you know we trade with many non-EU countries without apocolypse breaking out. Might fuck up their distilleries though.
 
Sniffer Grouse said:
Raab levels of bigging up what is on offer to the people of NI.

...and Scotland?
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See my post and others earlier. No way Scottish people will vote to leave the union even if we exit the eu. They are canny enough to know the value of their pound.

Every 5 years we get a vote on a government so we have the chance to change things. The referendum was different. All sides agreed it was a one off final end of chance. Until leave one.
Pads your analogy is the same as me saying I would vote for Blair but can’t vote for Corbyn. Both labour but completely different
 
My god, Papper... You truly are the master of the wind up!

I've spent the last half hour catching up with this thread and I've not seen 1 accurate argument by you on any point but you keep on dangling the rod and getting a nibble :fished:

Chapeau Sir, chapeau :tiphat:
 
Papper said:
Scotland can choose Independence, get subsidised by the EU and also trade with us on similar terms to EU countries. As you know we trade with many non-EU countries without apocolypse breaking out. Might fuck up their distilleries though.
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Its far easier to trade with nations with similar quality standards and levels of employment pay/rights. Not quite as easy selling manufactured parts when you have to look further afield and compete against nations that only turn the lights on in factories when foreign visitors turn up. Never mind we can slash tariffs to zero for those countries to sell to us and we won't need to worry about making such parts again.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
See my post and others earlier. No way Scottish people will vote to leave the union even if we exit the eu. They are canny enough to know the value of their pound.
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How will this play out in this election campaign though? Vote for the SNP now but turn against them if they get another chance at an indyref or place your vote elsewhere?
 
Papper said:
I'm right though. You'd love him as working class hero if he wasn't a Brexiteer.
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I don't think I would, as I said previously I know very little of what he actually stands for other than attendance and timekeeping, I mean I'm sure he loves miners and he definitely hates the monarchy but neither of those are particularly close to my heart. You see I've no longstanding connection to this area or him so no reason to idolise him to any extent, he's just my MP and judging by his efforts at the last election it seems he rather takes that position for granted these days, even in spite of the dwindling majority he now sits upon.

If he was an ardent Remainer then sure there'd be one less thing for me to dislike but that wouldn't automatically mean I'd have any affinity for the man.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
See my post and others earlier. No way Scottish people will vote to leave the union even if we exit the eu. They are canny enough to know the value of their pound.

Every 5 years we get a vote on a government so we have the chance to change things. The referendum was different. All sides agreed it was a one off final end of chance. Until leave one.
Pads your analogy is the same as me saying I would vote for Blair but can’t vote for Corbyn. Both labour but completely different
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Completely wrong about one off final. Even Farage himself on the night said 52:48 would be unfinished business. I have pointed that out until blue in the face but none so blind and all that.

Correct about the analogy. But no deal and boris deal are completely different to what was offered by the leave lie campaign. The vote is almost as old as those two five year parliaments so similar amounts of electorate change. So perfectly fair to want a chance to reverse the thing.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Completely wrong about one off final. Even Farage himself on the night said 52:48 would be unfinished business. I have pointed that out until blue in the face but none so blind and all that.

Correct about the analogy. But no deal and boris deal are completely different to what was offered by the leave lie campaign. The vote is almost as old as those two five year parliaments so similar amounts of electorate change. So perfectly fair to want a chance to reverse the thing.
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The difference, again, is that both sides said this was a one off once in a lifetime never to be repeated deal.
 
We aren’t. If Boris doesn’t win a majority we are no further forward. If he has enough to pass a deal or go for no deal that is all just the start. No trading relationships have been negotiated anywhere. No legislation has been even vaguely sorted. This isn’t even the middle game.
 
Ok, so as I've mentioned before, I have a relative who is now an active, campaigning Brexit Party member and he has posted this...

" Britain remains under EU rules but with no vote, no voice, no veto.
EU judges can still override our laws.
We won’t control our fishing.
We still won’t be free to trade as we see fit.
We won’t have control of our tax or state aid policies.
Britain can’t pursue an independent foreign policy.
Britain can’t pursue an independent defence policy.
The United Kingdom will be divided.
We pay the EU billions and get nothing in return.
And we’ll be trapped by the Political Declaration.

Its not BREXIT, its Boris's Treaty and he is going to campaign on it.
Do you still want to vote Tory to avoid a split in the vote or do you want a CLEAN BREAK BREXIT with The Brexit Party."

Don't for a second think that they are going to work with the Conservatives, all they will do is split the right wing vote.
Tactical voting will see the Cons out of Government
 
So they've not got the candidates or the money to fight that many seats,farage knows he won't win,so isn't standing is how I read that
 
Papper said:
When it happens I will vote back in ... it won't happen because the polarisation of Europe gets a few people seriously rich.
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You do know that the UK was / is one of the biggest issues to the development of the EU, right? The UK has been creating road blocks for decades, always cherry picking its way between treaties and deal. That is no way to behave in a Union such as this. And that is the reason a lot of Europeans are glad that the UK is going off.

However, with this whole farse, the EU has lost a lot of time and a window of opportunity to further develop is now closing. Macron and Merkel were huge supporters of the EU and were all in for increasing the strength of the union and furthering its tendrils into another aspects as labour, tax. Both leaders' tenure is at an end. So, ironically, by creating a situation of leaving the EU, the UK road blocked the EU again.
 
That’s a tad harsh, a lot of the EU’s commercial success is due to the UK led single market. Similarly the European Courts have been led by UK experts.

The UK has a lot to answer for, but to say they have harmed the EU alone is not correct - the EU would be a lot less successful without UK influence. While an EU superstate may be an aim for some, its not so for the majority and expecting that to be the outcome while not addressing economic disparities won’t be a success.
 
jdrodrigues said:
You do know that the UK was / is one of the biggest issues to the development of the EU, right? The UK has been creating road blocks for decades, always cherry picking its way between treaties and deal. That is no way to behave in a Union such as this. And that is the reason a lot of Europeans are glad that the UK is going off.

However, with this whole farse, the EU has lost a lot of time and a window of opportunity to further develop is now closing. Macron and Merkel were huge supporters of the EU and were all in for increasing the strength of the union and furthering its tendrils into another aspects as labour, tax. Both leaders' tenure is at an end. So, ironically, by creating a situation of leaving the EU, the UK road blocked the EU again.
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Exactly! You get it. If you’re a member of a club you play by the rules which the uk has failed to do for 20 years or more so it’s absolutely no surprise that all we have done in that time is slowly but surely moved away. Said that in 2015 on here.
 
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