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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Maybe best of five peoples votes? If remain win the next one we will have concerns that they don't know what they were doing and were ill-informed.

As I'm sure you realise very well, that isn't the point at all. As I said, just the one will be fine for me. Anyone who remains ill informed now is doing so by choice and deserves all they get. Completely different scenario from ref1.
 
So. On top of proroguing parliament to force through no deal, and reducing time available to block the move. On top of threatening withdrawal of the whip from any Conservative voting against the government OR EVEN ABSTAINING.

On top of that Gove says the government may not even obey any opposition legislation passed. They may just ignore it and carry on anyway.
 
As I'm sure you realise very well, that isn't the point at all. As I said, just the one will be fine for me. Anyone who remains ill informed now is doing so by choice and deserves all they get. Completely different scenario from ref1.

But what if remain won and leave asked for another referendum because the remain vote had been ill-informed? You cannot ignore the results of a democratic vote because somebody makes a judgment that those who voted leave were ill-informed. How can you tell people how they should think - least of all people like Major and Blair? Two general elections and the recent EU elections rubber stamp the decison to leave.
 
So. On top of proroguing parliament to force through no deal, and reducing time available to block the move. On top of threatening withdrawal of the whip from any Conservative voting against the government OR EVEN ABSTAINING.

On top of that Gove says the government may not even obey any opposition legislation passed. They may just ignore it and carry on anyway.

What deal would you propose?
 
Boris considering an election. Perhaps too many conservative mps are willing to support introducing legislation to block a no deal.
and be interesting to see what unfurls regarding goves refusal to confirm the government would abide with parliaments wishes. What would that mean for sovereignty?
 
Boris considering an election. Perhaps too many conservative mps are willing to support introducing legislation to block a no deal.
and be interesting to see what unfurls regarding goves refusal to confirm the government would abide with parliaments wishes. What would that mean for sovereignty?

Johnson meeting all Tory MP's today. Nice big Garden Party at Downing Street.
 
Boris considering an election. Perhaps too many conservative mps are willing to support introducing legislation to block a no deal.
and be interesting to see what unfurls regarding goves refusal to confirm the government would abide with parliaments wishes. What would that mean for sovereignty?

Let's hope his calculations are as spot on as Theresa May's were when she called her snap election.
 
No.10 has taken delivery of a rescued puppy but hasn't got a name for it yet....


@DexterTempest

Replying to @carriesymonds @marcthevet and 2 others
You should call it Brexit. Short term, he'll create havoc and deposit poo everywhere. Longer term, he'll cost you money and stop you from going on holiday.
 
Remain. No second referendum. Just cancel the whole thing.

That would fuck the country just as much tbf, just socially rather than economically. It needs a second ref, ideally with a winning margin of 10%+ for remain to have any chance of being put to bed.
 
Johnson meeting all Tory MP's today. Nice big Garden Party at Downing Street.

He's going to plant a shitbomb ...

As Jezza says he is unelected and we need a vote. I think it's time for Jezza to step forward ....
 
Have to say though - I love the energy/drive of the people. It's pure anarchy aided and abetted by the clowns in the circus down in SW1 and it has no sign of ever ending. Extinction rebellion and soon to be about 17 million people going absolute nuts and the very real prospect of the most radical leader in Parliament since Foot wasn't voted in. How long before the army are on the streets? Rik and Viv were a prophecy that is about to materialise ...
 
I'm not sure a few witty slogans on placards counts as "pure anarchy". Honestly, it's like a matchday thread on here sometimes - people seem to be watching a completely different game to the one I'm seeing.

And on that note...

FFS Corbyn!
 
But what if remain won and leave asked for another referendum because the remain vote had been ill-informed? You cannot ignore the results of a democratic vote because somebody makes a judgment that those who voted leave were ill-informed. How can you tell people how they should think - least of all people like Major and Blair? Two general elections and the recent EU elections rubber stamp the decison to leave.

You're missing the point again. It doesn't matter who voted what in ref1, no one was properly informed because no accurate information was available to either side, just guesswork and unsubstantiated claims. I voted remain, but I didn't feel it was in any sense an informed choice. At the time, I could make an argument for both choices, but there was very little in the way of hard facts to base a decision on. Neither side can make that excuse now, whatever the result of ref2. Of course, until we actually leave (or not), no one can say with 100% certainty what the effect will be, but the situation now is surely a sight more easier to assess than it was three years ago. As someone on this thread (you?) said, in 2016 everyone voted for their own idea of leave/remain. That was because hyperbole and conjecture were all we had to go on. The choice in ref2 would be a lot easier to make, because we all now know the likely consequences of leaving. If the majority still decide to leave, then so be it, but let the electorate make a decision based on informed prediction rather than speculation and self-serving propaganda.
 
You're missing the point again. It doesn't matter who voted what in ref1, no one was properly informed because no accurate information was available to either side, just guesswork and unsubstantiated claims. I voted remain, but I didn't feel it was in any sense an informed choice. At the time, I could make an argument for both choices, but there was very little in the way of hard facts to base a decision on. Neither side can make that excuse now, whatever the result of ref2. Of course, until we actually leave (or not), no one can say with 100% certainty what the effect will be, but the situation now is surely a sight more easier to assess than it was three years ago. As someone on this thread (you?) said, in 2016 everyone voted for their own idea of leave/remain. That was because hyperbole and conjecture were all we had to go on. The choice in ref2 would be a lot easier to make, because we all now know the likely consequences of leaving. If the majority still decide to leave, then so be it, but let the electorate make a decision based on informed prediction rather than speculation and self-serving propaganda.

I hear you buddy but what do we know now that we didn't know prior to the vote and to be fair it was laid on quite heavily. The predictions that were made for the period between the vote and the original exit date haven't exactly materialised. High unemployment, etc ... real stuff, not ill-informed stuff like the downturn globally in care sales is due to Brexit etc when it actually isn't. Investment into this country since 2016 is higher than both France and Germany put together? What happens in ref2 when perhaps we then vote to remain and the leave voters ask for another referendum because they also feel the proles were ill-informed again?
 
I hear you buddy but what do we know now that we didn't know prior to the vote and to be fair it was laid on quite heavily. The predictions that were made for the period between the vote and the original exit date haven't exactly materialised. High unemployment, etc ... real stuff, not ill-informed stuff like the downturn globally in care sales is due to Brexit etc when it actually isn't. Investment into this country since 2016 is higher than both France and Germany put together? What happens in ref2 when perhaps we then vote to remain and the leave voters ask for another referendum because they also feel the proles were ill-informed again?

We know that "it will be the easiest deal the Country has ever had to make" is bullshit.
We know that "£350m into the NHS" is bullshit
We know that the £ crashing into oblivion is a major possibility

Did you vote for "no deal, crash out Brexit"? because that is what the current Government is trying to force through
 
So Boris doesn't want another election, so every MP needs to do their duty and vote down the time wasting being put forward by Corbyn.

Election being called then...
 
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