REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Trips]

There's also a large number of 18 year olds that were unable to vote in the referendum

 

[Sniffer]

Corbyn has written to Theresa May and stated that he will support her Brexit deal if the following 5 legally binding commitments are made.

A “permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union”, including a say in future trade deals.
Close alignment with the single market, underpinned by “shared institutions”.
“Dynamic alignment on rights and protections”, so that UK standards do not fall behind those of the EU.
Clear commitments on future UK participation in EU agencies and funding programmes.
Unambiguous agreements on future security arrangements, such as use of the European arrest warrant.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Corbyn has written to Theresa May and stated that he will support her Brexit deal if the following 5 legally binding commitments are made.

A “permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union”, including a say in future trade deals.
Close alignment with the single market, underpinned by “shared institutions”.
“Dynamic alignment on rights and protections”, so that UK standards do not fall behind those of the EU.
Clear commitments on future UK participation in EU agencies and funding programmes.
Unambiguous agreements on future security arrangements, such as use of the European arrest warrant.

That will require compromise from May and the EU. Something neither have done in 30 months and now they have 5 weeks.

I think this is so far win win for May. She goes to the EU, they don't budge. Not her fault she tried, she argues.
EU gives ground, all hail fearless leader who took on the eurocrats and achieved a better deal. Win too
No deal brexit? She tried and no deal was achievable either because parliament kept voting it out or the EU would not budge, that's a win too as she blames Corbyn for not supporting her best deal for the country, win again. T bag should be renamed Teflon Bag as absolutes nothing sticks.

 

[jdrodrigues]

Completely agree with your first sentence.

Sadly with this stance its no deal here we come I am afraid. No compromise equals no deal. Options have all but run out. Both sides are playing poker all in holding king high.

Mate, there is no possible compromise at this point. The EU think, IMHO rightly, that they have conceded as much as they will and won't negotiate any further. The UK think that the concessions are not good enough.

It's not arrogance, the UK wants too much, maintain most of what it likes, such as freedom of transportation of goods, and avoid any thing that it doesn't like, such as freedom of movement.

You simply can't demand too much and then accuse the others of arrogance when the demand is refused.

Simply put, the deal the UK wants would shatter the Union project.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

USA putting the squeeze on now, hard border means any trade deal with the US might not be that easy.

https://www.independent.ie/business...-usuk-trade-deal-congress-warns-37791274.html

 

[SLA]

Mate, there is no possible compromise at this point. The EU think, IMHO rightly, that they have conceded as much as they will and won't negotiate any further. The UK think that the concessions are not good enough.

It's not arrogance, the UK wants too much, maintain most of what it likes, such as freedom of transportation of goods, and avoid any thing that it doesn't like, such as freedom of movement.

You simply can't demand too much and then accuse the others of arrogance when the demand is refused.

Simply put, the deal the UK wants would shatter the Union project.

^^^^ This ^^^^

Though, of course, your last sentence would please some people in this country no end.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

Mate, there is no possible compromise at this point. The EU think, IMHO rightly, that they have conceded as much as they will and won't negotiate any further. The UK think that the concessions are not good enough.

It's not arrogance, the UK wants too much, maintain most of what it likes, such as freedom of transportation of goods, and avoid any thing that it doesn't like, such as freedom of movement.

You simply can't demand too much and then accuse the others of arrogance when the demand is refused.

Simply put, the deal the UK wants would shatter the Union project.

This is spot on.

 

[jdrodrigues]

^^^^ This ^^^^

Though, of course, your last sentence would please some people in this country no end.

Of course it would. And plunge everyone into the dark ages, with technology. The Union is the way forward, imo. But I won't enter into this atm, I am a very pro-Union and want an even tighter Union, so I would clash with some people here. We can talk of this in March, in person!

 

[SLA]

Of course it would. And plunge everyone into the dark ages, with technology. The Union is the way forward, imo. But I won't enter into this atm, I am a very pro-Union and want an even tighter Union, so I would clash with some people here. We can talk of this in March, in person!

I'm with you! Sadly, not at the match though - I think you get to watch Wolves live more than I do. Bloody foreigners, just popping over to other countries whenever they want, with no inconvenient barriers, enjoying things different cultures have to offer! Disgraceful.

 

[darlowolf64]

But "GREAT" Britain....

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Mate, there is no possible compromise at this point. The EU think, IMHO rightly, that they have conceded as much as they will and won't negotiate any further. The UK think that the concessions are not good enough.

It's not arrogance, the UK wants too much, maintain most of what it likes, such as freedom of transportation of goods, and avoid any thing that it doesn't like, such as freedom of movement.

You simply can't demand too much and then accuse the others of arrogance when the demand is refused.

Simply put, the deal the UK wants would shatter the Union project.

The middle sentence describes perfectly the EEC pre veto's Maastricht and expansion. That is in my view where this went tits up. That is why I think we keep going to this default position of where we want to be with a deal and it is a sensible soft brexit. The EU have chosen to tolerate the UK for long enough. They ,quite rightly, are pissed off with us seeking for tweaks, changes and opt outs and you are quite right who can blame them.

Face facts. The UK did not buy into the direction the EU took post EEC. The issue is we cannot change history. Whatever side needs to accept that neither side will get what they want so must make effective changes.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

But what you keep missing is that they DON'T NEED to make changes. At all.

For two years they have held all the cards. It has been obvious.

 

[jdrodrigues]

The middle sentence describes perfectly the EEC pre veto's Maastricht and expansion. That is in my view where this went tits up. That is why I think we keep going to this default position of where we want to be with a deal and it is a sensible soft brexit. The EU have chosen to tolerate the UK for long enough. They ,quite rightly, are pissed off with us seeking for tweaks, changes and opt outs and you are quite right who can blame them.

Face facts. The UK did not buy into the direction the EU took post EEC. The issue is we cannot change history. Whatever side needs to accept that neither side will get what they want so must make effective changes.

But your elected representatives were there, and were definitely part of all the negotiations leading to the tighter relations, stronger and larger union. So, in truth, the UK accepted those changes, considering that it didn't leave there and then. Would have been a much lesser deal back then.

But what you keep missing is that they DON'T NEED to make changes. At all.

For two years they have held all the cards. It has been obvious.

This. Not every negotiations ends in a deal. If both parts can't find a compromise the negotiations end.

Be it negotiations between states or a real estate agency.

Say you want to buy a house for 10k. The house is priced at 50k. Do you think both parties must negotiate until a deal is done? Your max would be 20k, the owner wouldn't budge from 40k. No compromise is possible, negotiations ends and no deal was struck.

Between the UK and the EU is much the same. With the exception that million s and millions will pay the bill, through hardship and hard work.

 

[Tredman]

We led the drive for expansion and increased single market for good and services.

Its just that the less enlightened part of our society got all yippy when people with different accents and skin colour lived round the corner. Its all very embarrassing and pathetic - it will result in a much poorer UK economically and morally.

 

[SLA]

We led the drive for expansion and increased single market for good and services.

Its just that the less enlightened part of our society got all yippy when people with different accents and skin colour lived round the corner. Its all very embarrassing and pathetic - it will result in a much poorer UK economically and morally.

And culturally and socially. We're quickly becoming a much smaller, meaner, nastier inward-looking nation. (Strong relationship with the Faroes notwithstanding.) That, as much as anything, is what pisses me off.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

So you think its helpful? You think that the real right wing racists aren't chuffed to bits at him, an unelected Eurocrat spouting this at this time?

Its empowered idiots

Just to go back to this comment, was he not elected in 2017? With every member of the EU (including us) voting for him apart from Poland?

 

[Johnny75]

Just to go back to this comment, was he not elected in 2017? With every member of the EU (including us) voting for him apart from Poland?

He was. Although he doesn't come across as a very pleasant man in this article.

To think Farage and the other clowns who supported him are further right than Tusk who is himself is right of centre.

 

[Tyrannosaurus Dan]

He was. Although he doesn't come across as a very pleasant man in this article.

To think Farage and the other clowns who supported him are further right than Tusk who is himself is right of centre.

I don't know much about him or his political beliefs. I also don't think his comment yesterday was helpful (although, he is right). I was just challenging Cyber inocrrectly implying he was an 'unelected Eurocrat'.

 

[Johnny75]

I don't know much about him or his political beliefs. I also don't think his comment yesterday was helpful (although, he is right). I was just challenging Cyber inocrrectly implying he was an 'unelected Eurocrat'.

I was backing you up T-Dan. You are the Joanna Cherry to Cyber's Peter Bone.

 

[Kenny]

Well this is staggering news and utterly unexpected...."Theresa May's demand to re-open negotiations on her Brexit deal has been officially rejected by the EU"


So I presume we are left with cancel or no deal. No deal it is then. ACES