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REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

Cyber-_-man said:
Ok

Let's try and stimulate this . Let's do the following which is probably what Cameron should have done in the first place.

Spend the next two years negotiating and clarifying the following

1. What a hard Brexit is and it's costs
2. What a soft Brexit is and it's costs
3. What remaining means

Then hold the vote for
Hard
Soft
Remain.

I have no problems with that. It takes account of what we have learnt in two years. I believe that there would be a leave vote for a soft Brexit.
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In 300 pages nothing like this has been suggested.

I answer questions
I compromise
I make suggestions.

I think you're all wumming!
 
I posted previous to this that a second referendum should be held now that we have a road map of the consequences of leaving with or without a negotiated deal. So not really your idea.

You also seem to have changed your stance on the constitutional impact of a further referendum.
 
leedswolf said:
I posted previous to this that a second referendum should be held now that we have a road map of the consequences of leaving with or without a negotiated deal. So not really your idea.

You also seem to have changed your stance on the constitutional impact of a further referendum.
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Even rocks can be worn down by water over time

But you still only give two choices.

There need to be at least three.

You could add remain but with additional conditions to my list. Hell you could even have 4 choices and do it PR! So here is my suggestion

Work out the consequences costs pros and cons over the next two years of

Hard Brexit
Soft Brexit
Remain no change
Remain with additional conditions on welfare, immigration and freedom of movement( all to be defined in the two years)

We then all vote for our preferred two options
I would vote for soft first option, remain with additional conditions second option.

Basically this would work. Everyone gets a shot.
 
leedswolf said:
Usually eons rather than minutes.
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Reading your posts make time stand still. They just
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No acknowledgement that there is any compromise concession or merit to my suggestion either. Just back to
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So you're now wanting a referendum with multiple choices and PR? Can you give me an example of this previously happening in the UK. Didn't we have a referendum that chucked out a form of PR? Would we need a referendum to determine if PR applied?

Referenda are usually based on a yes or no vote.
 
Cyber-_-man said:
Reading your posts make time stand still. They just
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No acknowledgement that there is any compromise concession or merit to my suggestion either. Just back to
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Great comeback. Well done.
 
leedswolf said:
So you're now wanting a referendum with multiple choices and PR? Can you give me an example of this previously happening in the UK. Didn't we have a referendum that chucked out a form of PR? Would we need a referendum to determine if PR applied?

Referenda are usually based on a yes or no vote.
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I don't want it. I want the current vote respected but seeing how 48 % are saying their views aren't taken into consideration , seeing how there is no clarity around leave, seeing how there may be changing attitudes re this in the EU with regard to overall EU strategic direction and seeing as we all agree the first past the post system is unfair and seeing as the whole negotiation process requires enough time to provide clarity that unique set of circumstances leads me to believe that my solution would or could be palatable to enough leave majority to enable a second vote without carnage and making it PR gives people chance to vote for both !
 
Cyber-_-man said:
I don't want it. I want the current vote respected but seeing how 48 % are saying their views aren't taken into consideration , seeing how there is no clarity around leave, seeing how there may be changing attitudes re this in the EU with regard to overall EU strategic direction and seeing as we all agree the first past the post system is unfair and seeing as the whole negotiation process requires enough time to provide clarity that unique set of circumstances leads me to believe that my solution would or could be palatable to enough leave majority to enable a second vote without carnage and making it PR gives people chance to vote for both !
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I don't want an advisory referendum being the ultimate decision maker. Your multiple choice suggestion is impractical as it dilutes the intent. Impasse yet again.
 
leedswolf said:
I don't want an advisory referendum being the ultimate decision maker. Your multiple choice suggestion is impractical as it dilutes the intent. Impasse yet again.
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But it's not so much about us as MPs . There is a significant majority of remain MPs cross party in our parliament. So why have they not just ignored the referendum? It's not mandatory to implement as you say. We have always implemented in the past so why would MPs back Brexit? Why have they?
 
YoungWolf said:
How long after Brexit are we allowed to have a referendum on rejoining the EU then, never?
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It would be a very long time before we would rejoin as one of the conditions would be accepting the Euro, which would be the tipping point for many. Technically even if we decide to row back from A50 conditions could be put in place, I don't think the EU would do it, but they could.
 
The € might look very attractive after a few years of high inflation and a very weak currency.
 
tredman said:
The € might look very attractive after a few years of high inflation and a very weak currency.
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Even that doesn't work though as you have to peg your currency to it beforehand which if the pound is screwed would lead to high inflation
 
Cyber stop being a moron. WE DO NOT HAVE A FUCKING CONSTITUTION.

Over the pond have. We never have had one.
 
Paddingtonwolf said:
Cyber stop being a moron. WE DO NOT HAVE A $#@!ING CONSTITUTION.

Over the pond have. We never have had one.
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Our political system is a constitution. It's unique as it's not written down like others. But to say we don't have one is bollocks. Google it and stop trying to pick a bun fight. Try suggesting something we can debate. Seems like the only person trying on this thread is me. The rest seem to be wallowing in the mess. Your choice wallow away. The clocks to back tonight. Shame it can't go back further.
 
It fucking isn't

WE DON'T HAVE A CONSTITUTION

A constitution is a written document. Usually starts "we, the people".

We have no such thing. Our legal system is based on common law from a thousand years of development and three hundred and fifty years of statute. Ace. But not a constitution.

Of course you will say I am still talking bollocks. But you know what after twenty fucking years in the legal profession I know who is right so fuck you.
 
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