REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[Tredman]

Thats a giant leap! Someone votes labour, Corbyn is left wing YOURE A COMMUNIST. Theres a red under every bed you know.

That's a good example of the state that UK politics has come to. I've no time for Corbyn, but he is a principled pacifist and you're equating him with a bunch of thugs who go round beating up people who are brown.

Actually possibly says a lot about your values

 

[Deleted Cyber]

That's a good example of the state that UK politics has come to. I've no time for Corbyn, but he is a principled pacifist and you're equating him with a bunch of thugs who go round beating up people who are brown.

Actually possibly says a lot about your values

No! I was making the reverse leap that Johnny had done!

Just because I posted a pro brexit video from a right wing party I must therefore be right wing and therefore a racist bigot. Which was his inference

 

[Tredman]

No! I was making the reverse leap that Johnny had done!

Not really, Corbyn is hardly a communist and leads a center left party. The AfD are not center right, they are a bunch of neo-Nazis.

 

[leedswolf]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45822370

 

[leedswolf]

Yeah as I said I know nothing of the party policies or her politics but the speech was great even if only to see Ms Merkel squirm and shuffle a few papers. It does appear that there are other dissenting voices with regard to the EU negotiating strategy and that can only be good for the british position. If there is dissent within there may be compromise that can help us. However the speech was scathing!

The dissent is with the current major party systems in most western democracies. The AfD would love to destabilise the status quo and plunge Germany into chaos and then profer themselves as the only party to bring the country together, a sort of national socialism if you like.

The AfD have fuck all interest in Brexit other than to destabilise and appeal to a populist vote to further their own vile policies.

 

[leedswolf]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...econd-brexit-vote-commons-amendment?CMP=fb_gu

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I live in hope, obviously, but I can't see it happening. Crossesfingers that it could be delivered, as I am damn sure a second referendum would be won comfortably as the youth that were denied 2 years ago are about 90% remain minimum.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

I live in hope, obviously, but I can't see it happening. Crossesfingers that it could be delivered, as I am damn sure a second referendum would be won comfortably as the youth that were denied 2 years ago are about 90% remain minimum.

If it happens then our political system dies. It would bring chaos.it would give a licence to all the racists and bigotted minority who will get their voice and justifiably scream foul. It cannot happen. The best we can hope for is a soft Brexit.

 

[Tredman]

If it happens then our political system dies. It would bring chaos.it would give a licence to all the racists and bigotted minority who will get their voice and justifiably scream foul. It cannot happen. The best we can hope for is a soft Brexit.

So we will never have a general election again either?

A century ago the older generation didn't want women's votes, as they died off attitudes changed. The same will happen to the EU issue. Its no surprise that most of the brexiters are older and with less financial worries, time will take care of it.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

So we will never have a general election again either?

A century ago the older generation didn't want women's votes, as they died off attitudes changed. The same will happen to the EU issue. Its no surprise that most of the brexiters are older and with less financial worries, time will take care of it.

Whoosh as you completely miss the point.

General election happens at worse every 5 years. This was a one off. The outcome MUST be enacted now for our Constitution to remain credible. So we have already missed the chance once to get the Tories out. The ONLY way we do this is if Corbyn goes , a labour government goes for a soft Brexit.

 

[Tredman]

We don't have a constitution.

 

[lemonjelly]

a vote = the end of democracy? contradiction in terms surely.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

We don't have a constitution.

Unlike most modern states, Britain does not have a codified constitution but an unwritten one formed of Acts of Parliament, court judgments and conventions. Professor Robert Blackburn explains this system, including Magna Carta's place within it, and asks whether the UK should now have a written constitution.
Still a constitution though not a written one. Heres the world's smallest pair of scissors. Please split that hair.

My point is that the removal of article 50 time constraints buys time. Buys enough time for the DUP to withdraw and the government to fail, a general election would surely see this lot ousted. Then and only then do we have any chance of a soft Brexit that can appease all sides.

 

[Tredman]

Precisely. Parliament is sovereign and to deny parliament the ability to choose to hold a people's vote would be entirely wrong. Glad we agree

 

[leedswolf]

If it happens then our political system dies. It would bring chaos.it would give a licence to all the racists and bigotted minority who will get their voice and justifiably scream foul. It cannot happen. The best we can hope for is a soft Brexit.

A political system that meant not one UKIP member was ever returned to Westminster at a general election. The party with a principal policy of leaving the EU, but the electorate chose not to. Yet because a political party leader wants to appease his MPs he calls for a referendum. The referendum is a shambles with lies from both sides and over-spending by the Leave campaign.

We will now see what the road map is if we leave with or without a negotiated agreement. I reckon that is a much preferable opportunity for the electorate to decide.

 

[leedswolf]

My point is that the removal of article 50 time constraints buys time. Buys enough time for the DUP to withdraw and the government to fail, a general election would surely see this lot ousted. Then and only then do we have any chance of a soft Brexit that can appease all sides.

So you're asking the electorate to decide?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

A political system that meant not one UKIP member was ever returned to Westminster at a general election. The party with a principal policy of leaving the EU, but the electorate chose not too. Yet because a political party leader wants to appease his MPs he calls for a referendum. The referendum is a shambles with lies from both sides and over-spending by the Leave campaign.

We will now see what the road map is if we leave with or without a negotiated agreement. I reckon that is a much preferable opportunity for the electorate to decide.

Absolutely! Agree with every word of your first paragraph ( Johnny please note)

I prefer we take our time. I don't care if it takes years of negotiation to get it right. The mistake has been r been putting tight time constraints around it and all sides need to negotiate an exit and give some ground. That is going to take a lot longer than article 50 allows. So change it , accept it and move forward to Brexit at a slower pace. But the ultimate decision must mean Brexit. I have always wanted and backed a soft Brexit. I see absolutely no sense in throwing the baby away with the bathhouse water! There were good things about the EU. If you can keep some of those why wouldn't you?

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Whoosh as you completely miss the point.

General election happens at worse every 5 years. This was a one off. The outcome MUST be enacted now for our Constitution to remain credible. So we have already missed the chance once to get the Tories out. The ONLY way we do this is if Corbyn goes , a labour government goes for a soft Brexit.

What a load of fucking cock.

It actually MUSTN'T be enacted now to keep things credible, because the vote was far too close to actually screw everything up permanently. And has been pointed out we absolutely don't have a constitution. We are a constitutional monarchy which is a completely different thing. We have common law and statute.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

So you're asking the electorate to decide?

Within our system yes. But the system is not hold another referendum. There can only be Brexit. That is what the referendum result demands. The only way to keep some of the benefits is to ensure that it's a soft Brexit and that is not going to happen with this lot. So my only hope is that this government fails during a transition or negotiation period and a government or coalition in favour of a softer stance takes us to Brexit. For that to happen needs time. To get time article 50 needs to be put on hold. It does no side any favours.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

What a load of $#@!ing cock.

It actually MUSTN'T be enacted now to keep things credible, because the vote was far too close to actually screw everything up permanently. And has been pointed out we absolutely don't have a constitution. We are a constitutional monarchy which is a completely different thing. We have common law and statute.

You're a lawyer

This is what they say. It's still a constitution https://www.lawteacher.net/free-law...ish-constitution-a-political-constitution.php