REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[thehistorymakers]

Why would we want to stop something that is a net benefit?

Not to normal working class people it isn't.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Sadly your well written posts get swamped by the same old bollocks from THM that has been gone over ad nauseum.

Divide and rule again. Haha

 

[So Long Architect]

Not to normal working class people it isn't.

Quite a boon for the abnormal working class, though.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

The whole ethos of free movement is that it's a 2 way street to the benefit of all. Currently it's one way with all eastern bloc and many Med countries

 

[thehistorymakers]

Quite a boon for the abnormal working class, though.

Abnormal working class?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

How is the EU supposed to level the playing field? Force Audi and BMW to move to Romania and Poland because it's unfair that Germany have all those car firms?

"No reason for citizens to leave their countries" - what a wonderful world that would be. Everyone stay where you were born.

For about the millionth time also, non EU migration is higher than from within the EU, regardless of whether they are from colonies or not. Immigration is not going to go down dramatically once we've left the EU, so who will you blame then for the "burden of high amounts of immigration?"

For me trips I want the right people with the right skills with the right ethics coming for the right reasons and I want to be able to do the same and not be dramatically worse off.

 

[Trips]

Why do I bother posting if people just go back to the same old crap? Do you want debate? If so please someone comment on my earlier researched posts. Or do you all agree with my conclusion that freedom of movement only works where the wage makes it attractive for people of both countries to cross borders for work rather than a one way street. I am happy if someone can explain the benefits of me going to work in Romania for a fifth of my current wage. Please do

There are no benefits to you going to work in Romania for a fifth of your wages. I completely understand the premise of your idea, but in reality it will never be introduced. The EU aren't going to change their foundation of free movement of people, and they won't start kicking countries out of the EU that aren't as strong financially as us or Germany. We have a strong economy in this country, fifth in the world I believe, and high standards of living. That is why we are an attractive proposition for people from poorer nations to work here.

I don't have a problem with the current system of immigration, because the people that come and work here are either skilled in their roles which benefit Britain or they do the unskilled low-paid work that is difficult for companies over here to recruit British people to do, so again they benefit Britain.

 

[Deleted Cyber]

Fuck it. Off to my bottle of Greek wine x

 

[Trips]

For me trips I want the right people with the right skills with the right ethics coming for the right reasons and I want to be able to do the same and not be dramatically worse off.[/QUOTE

There are places you can go and work and not be worse off. I have friends that work in Germany and France and earn similar, if not better wages than they earn here. I doubt we will ever be in a position in this country where moving to Romania, for example, is a great career move, but why should that mean that they shouldn't come here though?

 

[visage]

The whole ethos of free movement is that it's a 2 way street to the benefit of all. Currently it's one way with all eastern bloc and many Med countries

No, it benefits the UK as well:

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration

European immigrants who arrived in the UK since 2000 have contributed more than £20bn to UK public finances between 2001 and 2011. Moreover, they have endowed the country with productive human capital that would have cost the UK £6.8bn in spending on education.

Over the period from 2001 to 2011, European immigrants from the EU-15 countries contributed 64% more in taxes than they received in benefits. Immigrants from the Central and East European ‘accession’ countries (the ‘A10’) contributed 12% more than they received.

 

[So Long Architect]

Abnormal working class?

If there's a normal working class, there must also be an abnormal one.

Or was it just a meaningless cliche?

 

[Deleted Cyber]

There are no benefits to you going to work in Romania for a fifth of your wages. I completely understand the premise of your idea, but in reality it will never be introduced. The EU aren't going to change their foundation of free movement of people, and they won't start kicking countries out of the EU that aren't as strong financially as us or Germany. We have a strong economy in this country, fifth in the world I believe, and high standards of living. That is why we are an attractive proposition for people from poorer nations to work here.

I don't have a problem with the current system of immigration, because the people that come and work here are either skilled in their roles which benefit Britain or they do the unskilled low-paid work that is difficult for companies over here to recruit British people to do, so again they benefit Britain.

We agree to differ then my friend. I can't see how a 1 way street benefits us at all with 1.7 million unemployed . It will be interesting to see how or what is proposed on free movement. Right. The wine is calling. Enough politics

 

[Trips]

Not to normal working class people it isn't.

Who are the normal working class?

I class myself as working class - I see immigration as a benefit to the country. Does this make me not normal working class?

 

[So Long Architect]

We agree to differ then my friend. I can't see how a 1 way street benefits us at all with 1.7 million unemployed . It will be interesting to see how or what is proposed on free movement. Right. The wine is calling. Enough politics

Greek wine, though, Cyber? I'm all for European integration, but there's no excuse for that.

 

[leedswolf]

The whole ethos of free movement is that it's a 2 way street to the benefit of all. Currently it's one way with all eastern bloc and many Med countries

The underpinning of freedom of movement was to politically and socially integrate the citizens of Europe. Having come out of a second catastrophic war in 1945 the 'founding fathers' had a vision that a united Europe with no internal borders would promote peace.

The fly in the ointment is that the UK in modern history has never really seen itself as 'European'. If you go to the parts of the British Isles that were under occupation you will see a different attitude. The price of peace perhaps?

 

[Trips]

We agree to differ then my friend. I can't see how a 1 way street benefits us at all with 1.7 million unemployed . It will be interesting to see how or what is proposed on free movement. Right. The wine is calling. Enough politics

As I've said I understand your idea, just cannot see how it would ever be put into practice.

Enjoy the wine, one more hour of work and I can crack on with a beer

 

[visage]

Meanwhile (adopts Geordie voice)....

Day three in Brexit Britain, and @DavidJo52951945 wants war with Russia because of Gibraltar.

Daily Mail readers arent taking it well:

mhc, UK, United Kingdom

Damn cheek! So they want to play dirty? No surprise there then. Time for the gloves off.

Mark, London, United Kingdom

If EU want to go to war. Bring it on.

Topcoates, Malaga

Once again, EU dictating to us. Tell them to shove it! WE will decide the terms of our brexit, not EU. And Madrid? Hahhaha... nothing to do with them. Gib is UK. Always will be.

Thatslife, Suffolk, United Kingdom

Then we walk away with nothing! Time to harden up people of the UK!! If we bend the world will laugh at us. We can make the world out trading place.

GrandpaDog, Londonish, United Kingdom

We could alway protest by Not going to Spain n holiday. Seriously people one year of 80% drop in U.K. will destroy there tourist economy!!

Martin_in_Yorkshire, Yorkshire, United Kingdom

Just add Madrid to the growing list of Trident targets. So far we have Brussels, Strasbourg, Luxembourg and Madrid. Cillit bang and the dirt is gone.

Lets nuke Madrid over a rock. Make Britain Great Again.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

How is the EU supposed to level the playing field? Force Audi and BMW to move to Romania and Poland because it's unfair that Germany have all those car firms?

"No reason for citizens to leave their countries" - what a wonderful world that would be. Everyone stay where you were born.

For about the millionth time also, non EU migration is higher than from within the EU, regardless of whether they are from colonies or not. Immigration is not going to go down dramatically once we've left the EU, so who will you blame then for the "burden of high amounts of immigration?"

The THM dream where everyone has to stay put, apart from himself obviously.

Why do I bother posting if people just go back to the same old crap? Do you want debate? If so please someone comment on my earlier researched posts. Or do you all agree with my conclusion that freedom of movement only works where the wage makes it attractive for people of both countries to cross borders for work rather than a one way street. I am happy if someone can explain the benefits of me going to work in Romania for a fifth of my current wage. Please do

I guess the only way a British individual court benefit from moving to one of the weaker economies would be if they did so much later in life. Cash in the bank, lower costs of living and you could potentially do more with your money that you could here. Although I imagine the general infrastructure etc. would be of a lower standard so you'd have to decide if that was worth sacrificing for the personal gains elsewhere.

Though as we saw with some of the referendum voting breakdown, it seems our older generations tend to be more inclined that everyone should just 'stay put'. Some of them even holding that opinion very hypocritically as they swan off to retirement, holiday homes and whatever else in warmer spots, as we've seen illustrated only too well on this forum.

 

[leedswolf]

Lets nuke Madrid over a rock. Make Britain Great Again.

That's supposing Trident can actually function correctly.

 

[Kenny]

Fire at the USA and we will hit Madrid....