REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[ROVERT47]

Expect 'Lord Freedom' to be part of the next Tory Cabinet.

 

[nimrod]

Are you insinuating that they told porkies in their campaign......?

both did to be fair. it's funny though that people were more up in arms about it this time, as it happens in all elections. i mean cameron didn't change his spots purely for this referendum.

i think people have just got used to general elections as being dirty, especially as many are already wearing badges so simply ignore the lies that their "side" tell. but quite why people thought this would be cleaner is beyond me, and similarly anyone expecting politics to be cleaner going forward is imo foolish. i think the cat is now out of the bag for the population. you train the population to look at the short term, then i'm afraid that's the period you'll be expected to deliver over before social media starts to crucify you.

 

[Jolemai]

This just in, live scenes from the Channel Tunnel:

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I think this is actually slightly different. It isn't like a GE where the winning side still has to get policy passed and so on. This is much more monumental. A huge move in our political landscape, and it must be done as the people have voted for it.

Therefore, the period of time while there is an interregnum at the top needs to be used wisely in many ways.

a) Labour needs to decide if it wants to replace Corbyn. He is under huge sudden pressure but he isn't a dead duck yet.
b) We need a new Conservative leader but that will be an internal thing. That leader must come from the Brexit side of the divide or this just doesn't work
c) A sensible timetable for pressing the button on Article 50 needs to be thought out and elucidated to those who have voted for change so that expectations of speed of change are accurately managed
d) Somebody needs to go through the whole statute book and crunch exactly what legislation needs repeal or restatement. This is going to be a colossal statutory instrument when it arrives and is going to take a lot of writing.
e) A lot of budgetary work needs immediate re-assessment. The business as usual stuff is still ongoing
f) Someone needs to take this by the scruff of the neck in terms of strong leadership so that the markets can get shored up. When we know the likely bottom out position we can start building back up again.
g) People need to understand that market recovery from the positions of today is not going to be quick. If that isn't put out there then the government managing this is liable to get tossed out on its ear in 2020. There will be hardship in getting this done, but if that is stated up front it might be a little more palatable.
h) Somehow the 48.1% need to be engaged in this. You can't leave such a tight result without doing a little reconciliation to those have differing views. Cameron tried that after the general election and look where it has got him this morning.

 

[Langers]

both did to be fair.

Yes, very true.

 

[thehistorymakers]

Resigning is pretty much the only thing that he can do. His credibility is destroyed. As is that of Osbourne. Hand over the keys to a Brexit campaigner at the Conservative conference after a leadership campaign and then that leader can start the two years ticking. A three month delay while the interregnum is sorted out really doesn't change things too much whereas a snap change of Prime Ministerial post holder could be a real hole below the waterline.

Labour will surely try and oust Corbyn now and set themselves up as in some way electable if a quick election were called after the leadership changes.

Well, it certainly isn't a dull time to be around.

The most important thing that politicians (and indeed the British electorate in general) need to recognise is that Brexit has a mandate. However tight. We have crossed the rubicon and there is no going back so it is imperative that everything is done to make this dramatic change to our political landscape as smooth and painless as possible so that the huge losses seen today end up being only a short to mid-term effect. Not entirely sure how successful we will be with that, but it simply must be the aim.

Waking up this morning it was like hitting my thumb with a hammer and I was still in the shouting "Owwww" stage. I have now progressed to the dull painful ache stage but it will get better. And now we have to make sure that the way this decision of the British people is implemented is in such a way that those who voted for it are seeing their wish enacted, while the 49% who didn't are not alienated. A tough balance, but hopefully achievable with careful thought and planning and sympathetic implementation.

Very good and gracious post Paddy.

 

[EdgeOfTheAlps]

I don't think the borders will change as Switzerland and Norway do not have difficult procedures.

Would that be the Norway that has to pay the same price as full EU membership, implement all EU legislation, and accept full freedom of movement. In other words the very same things the leave campaign based it's whole campaign on?

 

[The Bear]

Does this mean we're likely to get Boris as the new PM?

 

[ROVERT47]

Corbyn needs to go, privately he is probably pretty pleased, the trouble with getting rid of Corbyn is the membership of the Labour Party is now infiltrated by those who used to wear V for Vendetta masks and have no interest in the complexities of running a Country.

 

[FrankMunro-371]

I'm nearly 63 and voted to remain, we aren't all bigots.

I'm nearly 63 and voted to leave, and I am not a bigot.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Does this mean we're likely to get Boris as the new PM?

He will probably be a candidate. Just because he is on the Conservative ballot paper doesn't mean he will win, but I fear he has a pretty decent chance.

Boris, Putin, and Trump is a slight worry.

 

[thehistorymakers]

@Paddy. And that's the reason Scotland won't become Independent. They would have to accept the Euro, change their economy, relinquish their benefits from the UK and accept a change in governmental structure.

When the cost of all that is put to the Scots there is no way they'll vote to be independent.

I'm not concerned about the terrorist McGinnis calling for a vote as that is what he has always wanted.

I don't think the borders will change as Switzerland and Norway do not have difficult procedures. I'm not one for a bright new vision and its damning that Farage has already told the first lie (on ITV to Piers Morgan of all people). I hope we get this right and it's encouraging that Mark Carney has said financially we're OK.

I've seen distasteful stuff on social media from the Leave camp and I hope we do not give the bigots and racists within that camp a voice, I hope we go back to ridiculing and demonising the scum that they are.

Overall, it could be great, it could be $#@!, who knows.

Fantastic post Johnny. 100% agree with every word, which might scare you to death.

 

[ROVERT47]

I'm nearly 63 and voted to leave, and I am not a bigot.

Never said you were but he vast majority of those who did are, a can't believe you've had you're head in the sand for the past few months.

 

[nimrod]

boris' speech praising cameron later will probably be something like this

 

[FrankMunro-371]

Never said you were but he vast majority of those who did are, a can't believe you've had you're head in the sand for the past few months.

I know you didn't Trev, but someone on here did.

I don't think I have had my head in the sand, I have been anti EU for many years, and I believe the country has made the right decision. Yes there will be a period of uncertainty, and the markets will be volatile, but things will settle down. We will also probably have new leaders for the two main parties, and given the slender majority the Conservatives have I would not be surprised if there was a general election within a year.

 

[darlowolf64]

There was a regular bloke interviewed on BBC (well loads of people in a room)
He had voted to remain but said now is the time for the press, media and MPs to look to the positives and stop the negative headlines about "disaster" etc (or words to that effect)

Fully agree and it is an echo of what Paddy has said on here earlier

 

[ROVERT47]

My point is,my Dad is 89, I haven't spoken to him but if he did vote I would have expected he would have voted to leave.
He's bigoted and doesn't even realise it.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

I just don't see the point in pawing over the carcass of why people have voted. This isn't a GE. There isn't a chance to redress it in five years time to appease those who have disagreed with you.

The vote is done. It is set in stone. The why's and wherefore's now actually become at least an irrelevance, and at worst a red herring. We are where we are, and it is incumbent on those in office and in opposition to find a way to implement it correctly, legally, and with as minimal damage to markets as is possible. There will be pain, but we have voted for that pain, so lets all work together to make that pain shortlived and not drawn out agony.

 

[ROVERT47]

I just don't see the point in pawing over the carcass of why people have voted. This isn't a GE. There isn't a chance to redress it in five years time to appease those who have disagreed with you.

The vote is done. It is set in stone. The why's and wherefore's now actually become at least an irrelevance, and at worst a red herring. We are where we are, and it is incumbent on those in office and in opposition to find a way to implement it correctly, legally, and with as minimal damage to markets as is possible. There will be pain, but we have voted for that pain, so lets all work together to make that pain shortlived and not drawn out agony.

Agreed.

 

[machin05]