REFERENDUM RESULTS AND DISCUSSION THREAD

[darlowolf64]

THM and his ilk remind me a bit of the Judean People's Front Suicide Squad at the end of the Life of Brian - "That showed 'em, huh?"

SPLITTERS!

 

[thehistorymakers]

This idea that "the establishment" will be in any way inconvenienced by Brexit is laughable. Yeah, lots of the "elite" argued against it but the establishment, by its very nature, doesn't much like change. But to think that the likes of Johnson, Fox, Gove and Farage would support something that would leave them worse off is a little bit sad.

THM and his ilk remind me a bit of the Judean People's Front Suicide Squad at the end of the Life of Brian - "That showed 'em, huh?"

Hahahahahah.

 

[Jolemai]

Brexit is a good thing, because the people who were oblivious to the plight of the many millions of working class people and their sufferening are now worrying about their future.
Now the oily machinery of the establishment, that suckered up to the EU at a cost of their own nation, show how disloyal they have been to their own country and people. Those very people, prefer the EU to try to hammer the UK and cause us misery, than their own nation. They grovel to the EU at the expense of the UK. It is something I never thought I would see in my lifetime.

This could be phrased better but THM is right in some regards. A lot of the poorer communities have voted out and this vote against the status quo of neo-liberalism has grabbed the government's attention. If not before the Richmond Park by-election then certainly now. To use the Welsh example again, they receive lots of EU cash to regenerate the poorer former mining areas but thanks to the austerity of the Conservative government its residents can't see any change despite this. So they have voted for the unknown on the basis that it will bring significant change. Whether that's right or wrong is another debate (certainly the majority of Wales' MPs and AMs feel otherwise).

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Of course there have been communities left behind over the last 30-40 years (many areas of Wales would fit into that bracket) and giving the "establishment" a kicking is understandable in that context. Pick your fucking battles though. Like I dunno, say, a General Election which we had a whole 13 months before this nonsense of a referendum.

Deprivation, unemployment, low wages, NHS issues etc in the UK have little or nothing to do with the EU. As will be borne out when none of that improves when we leave. Conflating the EU - which does of course need perpetual reform, like all long standing political entities - with penury which has been ideologically pushed by multiple, successive domestic Government policies (cross party, I hasten to add) is a political non-sequitur, it's like me stating that I'm going to stop eating pasta because I suffer from depression.

Not that these people who voted for change "just because" should be let off the hook completely, have a bloody look into what it is you're voting for. It isn't hard.

 

[Jolemai]

Of course there have been communities left behind over the last 30-40 years (many areas of Wales would fit into that bracket) and giving the "establishment" a kicking is understandable in that context. Pick your $#@!ing battles though. Like I dunno, say, a General Election which we had a whole 13 months before this nonsense of a referendum.

Deprivation, unemployment, low wages, NHS issues etc in the UK have little or nothing to do with the EU. As will be borne out when none of that improves when we leave. Conflating the EU - which does of course need perpetual reform, like all long standing political entities - with penury which has been ideologically pushed by multiple, successive domestic Government policies (cross party, I hasten to add) is a political non-sequitur, it's like me stating that I'm going to stop eating pasta because I suffer from depression.

Not that these people who voted for change "just because" should be let off the hook completely, have a bloody look into what it is you're voting for. It isn't hard.

I completely agree. However, voting for Labour in a Labour heartland is meaningless when the Conservatives still win regardless and thus, they have looked elsewhere.

 

[Jolemai]

Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg wants to slash our H&S to the levels of India once we leave the EU.

Good grief.

 

[visage]

Perhaps he could travel to Delhi and drink some tap water. Bonus points for putting the results on YouTube.

 

[Johnny75]

Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg wants to slash our H&S to the levels of India once we leave the EU.

Good grief.

The people of North Eaast Somerset that voted for this clown need a damn good slap. There's nothing remotely palatable about anything he says so I don't understand why he keeps getting elected.

 

[Nando]

The people of North Eaast Somerset that voted for this clown need a damn good slap. There's nothing remotely palatable about anything he says so I don't understand why he keeps getting elected.

The lot down here voted for Liam Fox too.

It is pretty much untouchable Blue in North Somerset apart from Weston-super-Mare.

 

[Paul]

Do you mean this level of safety ?



I'll have a word with our H&S adviser

 

[Tredman]

The likes of him would like to see the likes of us back in our place. Sad thing is brexit has just encouraged these goons.

 

[Doctor Doog]

Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg wants to slash our H&S to the levels of India once we leave the EU.

Good grief.

I managed to listen to the first minute before I had to stop. In that bit, he was talking about increasing emission limits to match India's - the emission limits that in 2019 will exactly match Europe's. He obviously knows his stuff.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The likes of him would like to see the likes of us back in our place. Sad thing is brexit has just encouraged these goons.

The Minister for the 1930s. And yet, I wouldn't even have him in the worst ten Brexiteer MP/MEPs.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

Rees-Mogg is just the ultimate thundercunt's thundercunt.

Sneering down his nose at the Supreme Court case, the Richmond by-election, in fact just about anything. Walking advert for voting with a bullet.

 

[thehistorymakers]

If the result had been that REMAIN had won, could we have had a soft remain, instead of what we had, or would we have been restrained by what the EU commisioners ordered us to do?
Could we have had more control of our borders? Or would we have had to obey the EU?
I think the answer is, if you want to be in their club, you have to obey their rules. If this is true, how is it that people are asking for a soft Brexit, but wouldn't have been able to give us a soft remain?

 

[machin05]

Because people voting remain were happy with the rules of the club, or at least hopeful of making changes from the inside.

 

[visage]

Seems a bit odd to ask how people voting for the status quo would look to change things.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

If the result had been that REMAIN had won, could we have had a soft remain, instead of what we had, or would we have been restrained by what the EU commisioners ordered us to do?
Could we have had more control of our borders? Or would we have had to obey the EU?
I think the answer is, if you want to be in their club, you have to obey their rules. If this is true, how is it that people are asking for a soft Brexit, but wouldn't have been able to give us a soft remain?

A Hard Remain would be joining the Schengen area and abandoning the Pound for the Euro. Sounds ridiculous but no more than some of the Hard Brexiter’s wish lists!

 

[thehistorymakers]

Seems a bit odd to ask how people voting for the status quo would look to change things.

I have complete empathy with anyone who voted remain, because they were happy with life as it was and were worried that a change could mess things up for them. I would hope that, that same person would understand why the people who voted to change things, as the status quo, was not offering them or their families, solutions or hope for the future of them and their families.
I suppose you can understand the anger of the remainers, as they now fear for their future, where if the people who voted Brexit had lost, they would have carried on having no future.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

I have complete empathy with anyone who voted remain, because they were happy with life as it was and were worried that a change could mess things up for them. I would hope that, that same person would understand why the people who voted to change things, as the status quo, was not offering them or their families, solutions or hope for the future of them and their families.
I suppose you can understand the anger of the remainers, as they now fear for their future, where if the people who voted Brexit had lost, they would have carried on having no future.

How does Brexit provide them a more positive future?

It's all well and good feeling hard done by, getting sick of things and voting in protest but as many others have said the better option for this has already been and gone in the previous general election. The decisions which have gone against large chunks of society have been made by UK governments by and large, not forced upon them by the EU, people have voted for a change that they know little to no detail of.

It's like a kid being sick of never getting their way, one day they snap and give their mom an earful but then it turns out it was always their dad putting his foot down saying no to everything so now they're still not getting their way but have two people shitting on them from above instead of one.