Rangers

[CelticBhoy]

Personally I wouldn't have a problem with Celtic starting in the 2nd division if Pompey went bust and then everyone squashing up, however, is there any point in Celtic walking division 2 and 1 just for a point to be made, so maybe the should just take Pompey's place. In fact let's just kick Birmingham out tomorrow and let Celtic take their place.

I'd love it if we got Portsmouth's place! And that is a very good point you made about is there really any point in Celtic winning leagues 1 and 2 and all the conference ect.... just to make a point. However I do understand why some people might think that we should and I wouldn't have a problem if we did have to. Tbh I'd take anything if it meant we would compete at a better level than what we are at the moment. Haha I laughed at that bit about Birmingham

I'm not writing you off completely. I just think you would struggle and good luck if celtic do come down but I dont think there would be much talk until rangers go bust or into admin

Never meant for it to come out like that! I know you weren't completely writing us off What I meant to say was we do have a strong team if you were to watch us every week and very, very young as well, so can only get better. Ledley ex Cardiff captain, Hooper top scorer with Scunthorpe, even Commons was decent in spells in the Championship, I think we would cope well in that league. It does all depend what happens with Rangers though!

 

[CelticBhoy]

Northern Ireland used to have a decent league up to the 50's with a big 2 of Linfield and Belfast Celtic (imagine Glasgow on a slightly smaller scaller and more hate), then Belfast Celtic went out of business and Linfield starting winning easily year after year and people stopped paying attention and caring and the whole thing descended into the parks football it is today.

Leagues need a rivalry/competition. If theres one thing worse then a two horse race every year it is a one horse race every year.

Whilst I am no fan of Rangers, Scottish football needs them to be competitive.

I agree. For the SPL to be slightly competitive Celtic and Rangers have to be there, however what we are saying is after a few seasons of Celtic winning the league, the possibility of Celtic moving to another league could become more appealing. We just never know what is going to happen but it is certainly going to be very interesting.

 

[Donegal Wolf]

I agree. For the SPL to be slightly competitive Celtic and Rangers have to be there, however what we are saying is after a few seasons of Celtic winning the league, the possibility of Celtic moving to another league could become more appealing. We just never know what is going to happen but it is certainly going to be very interesting.

Yes you would have no option but try to push to move if things turn out for the worst for the residents of Castle Greyskull.

 

[CelticBhoy]

Yes you would have no option but try to push to move if things turn out for the worst for the residents of Castle Greyskull.

Haha love it! :L Do you follow Scottish football mate or just know a bit about Rangers and Celtic?

 

[Scottishwolf II]

Just taking this thread in a slightly different direction. If a club as big as Rangers can go into administration, on the back of spending sprees 4 years ago, does this mean some of the big spending smaller premier league clubs could find things catching up on them (not talking Man U or Chelsea, more Sunderland, Bolton etc). Could this be the start of the football bubble deflating or bursting?

 

[Wolf Hunting]

Heard part of an interview with I think a Rangers Director (??) on 5 live this morning....

Did they (Whyte) obtain a huge loan by mortgaging the next 4 years takings?
And now they don't know where that money's gone...?

If that's true, how bad is that?
What the FUCK are they up to?

 

[broughtonwolf]

HMRC, who must be even more desperate for a football related win than Wolves at the moment, have issued insolvency proceedings

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17026172

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Haha love it! :L Do you follow Scottish football mate or just know a bit about Rangers and Celtic?

Living in Donegal 95% of the population seem to have relatives in Glasgow, so plenty going back and forth to there.
So loads of Celtic fans here (and a few Rangers) so Old Firm games are a big event in the local boozers.

 

[Wolf Hunting]

HMRC, who must be even more desperate for a football related win than Wolves at the moment, have issued insolvency proceedings

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17026172

Very droll Broughton, I heard last night that Rangers might be playing a very canny game here and by applying for Administration, the assets will go to the (might have this bit wrong), 'registered Creditor(?) which turns out to be the Chairman...

Which I believe means that he'll get whatever's available...
The HMRC will be 2nd in the queue and therefore get fuck all.

If they carried on trading and trying to get out of it, the Revenue would simply file, close the thing down and (try to) get their hands on £49 - 70 million (depending which news service you read).

Jus think if it wasn't for Jack, Steve and Jez, we to might be reflecting some of that...

So now the Revenue are seeking to play catch up?
They ought to cop onto themselves.

 

[CelticBhoy]

Just taking this thread in a slightly different direction. If a club as big as Rangers can go into administration, on the back of spending sprees 4 years ago, does this mean some of the big spending smaller premier league clubs could find things catching up on them (not talking Man U or Chelsea, more Sunderland, Bolton etc). Could this be the start of the football bubble deflating or bursting?

I'm not entirely sure mate. Rangers were dodgy with what they were doing with their money so and this is how they are in this mess, but I'm sure it is possible that over spending over the years other clubs could be hit with problems!

Heard part of an interview with I think a Rangers Director (??) on 5 live this morning....

Did they (Whyte) obtain a huge loan by mortgaging the next 4 years takings?
And now they don't know where that money's gone...?

If that's true, how bad is that?
What the $#@! are they up to?

Craig Whyte is their owner. Looking in he seems a really dodgy man, Rangers fans dont see it but I think they are coming around to see that he is. There was a BBC programme on about him and they went through all of his previous businesses - Re-Tex the main one where he was illegally made a director of the company, that company was wound up and he was accused of forming accounts and them being signed off by fake auditors, appointed by him. The auditors were allegedly run by convicted fraudster, and former associate of Whyte's, Kevin Sykes. Other businesses come under "failure of one of his companies - Vital Holdings Ltd - to produce satisfactory accounts", "array of other criminal acts", "taking £100,000 from the Re-Tex account, to pay a tax bill - a payment which was never received by the Inland Revenue". So as you can see already looks bad!

About the 4 years taking - he has sold off 4 years worth of season tickets "to keep the club running". Not really sure what this means or where the money has gone but it doesn't sound great! I have no idea what they are up to, as I said Craig Whyte seems a very dodgy 'businessman'!

 

[CelticBhoy]

HMRC, who must be even more desperate for a football related win than Wolves at the moment, have issued insolvency proceedings

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17026172

The Rangers fans are not happy with the HMRC! They have said that they will 'appeal, appeal, appeal" :L It will be interesting to see how everything unravels in the next few days!

Living in Donegal 95% of the population seem to have relatives in Glasgow, so plenty going back and forth to there.
So loads of Celtic fans here (and a few Rangers) so Old Firm games are a big event in the local boozers.

Ah right, yeah I could imagine the derby games would be quite big there I'm sure we have have a song that has Donegal in it haha just thought I'd mention it! :L

 

[Donegal Wolf]

Heard part of an interview with I think a Rangers Director (??) on 5 live this morning....

Did they (Whyte) obtain a huge loan by mortgaging the next 4 years takings?
And now they don't know where that money's gone...?

If that's true, how bad is that?
What the FUCK are they up to?

Heard chairman on radio last night saying tax bill is more then the £49million that was being bandied around, could be £60-70 million, (no mention of other creditors so god knows how much they fully owe)
There was also something about getting a loan based on the next 4 years season ticket sales.

I know Scottish Football does not get anywhere near the money of the top of the Prem but upto a few years ago it was equivalent to the lower end of the prem (not sure nowadays) they still were getting Champions League money every year, plus gates of 60,000 every week.
They were throwing big money around under Murray from the late 80's till the mid 00's (in UK terms let alone Scottish),
Laudrup, Gatuso, Gazza, Numan, De Boer, Van Bronkhurst, Arteta, Caneggia, Kanchelskis, Klos, Advocaat as manager all world class and must have been on huge money in Scottish terms and they would have been the top players on a huge list.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Just taking this thread in a slightly different direction. If a club as big as Rangers can go into administration, on the back of spending sprees 4 years ago, does this mean some of the big spending smaller premier league clubs could find things catching up on them (not talking Man U or Chelsea, more Sunderland, Bolton etc). Could this be the start of the football bubble deflating or bursting?

If you were after a club that would be utterly ruined by relegation from the PL and a failure to bounce straight back, it'd be Bolton. They lose money hand over fist as it is, even with the huge income you get by being in this league.

 

[Sniffer]

What are the rules surrounding cross border ownership issues? Can you own one club in one country and one in another?

For example could Celtic take over Carlisle, change their name to Carlisle Celtic and then transfer players to them. They could then march through the divisions quicker than starting off at the bottom. They could also retain their Scottish Premier League place. If they were to get near the Premier League they could then ask to play home matches in Glasgow instead.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

What are the rules surrounding cross border ownership issues? Can you own one club in one country and one in another?

You can, but only one team that you own can play in Europe. For instance Slavia Prague qualified for Europe about a dozen years ago but couldn't take part because Spurs had also qualified and ENIC owned both clubs. So ENIC picked Spurs and then they got gubbed by Kaiserslautern.

 

[Paddingtonwolf]

They will be in admin by 3.30. Just a question whether it is their own administrator a la Andronikrook, or an HMRC appointed man who will actually deal with the issue

 

[jd1981]

They will be in admin by 3.30. Just a question whether it is their own administrator a la Andronikrook, or an HMRC appointed man who will actually deal with the issue

What happens if they can't find an administrator by that time.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

They will.

a) Whyte's "business" background (I use the term advisedly) is in taking over failing companies, he will have contacts aplenty in that field
b) No administrator is going to turn down the opportunity to run Rangers at £500 an hour

 

[Sniffer]

They will.

a) Whyte's "business" background (I use the term advisedly) is in taking over failing companies, he will have contacts aplenty in that field
b) No administrator is going to turn down the opportunity to run Rangers at £500 an hour

That will just be the partner, you are forgetting the half dozen assistants that they will bring with them. I have had experience of an Administration process and in my opinion none of them are in it for the benefit of the creditors they are only there to line their own pockets. The legal framework of the administraion process that they hide behind is normally to the detriment of the creditors.

 

[CelticBhoy]

There we go Rangers are in administration! Obviously bad for them but thats the league won for us. Time to celebrate haha