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O'Neil In, Out and Shaking it all about

Kenny said:
I get the "if we go down its not a disaster" thinking. Don't agree but get it.

Stripping everything away, the club will still exist, we may win games, we may score goals. We will still support them, moan at them, celebrate like fuck when we beat some shithouses in the 96th min etc etc.

From a footballing view point...yes it's a disaster. Years spent dicking around in 2nd tier or below and we get to the PL and look like we belong here then insanely do our best to throw it all away.
Few years back we were in Europe and all of a sudden "well QPR away sounds good"
Fook that right off.

Wonder if Watford fans think being in the Championship is better than the PL.
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I think they prefer it over the embarrassment of being walloped by City every time.
 
Loki said:
The fact that Shi is still in charge says everything about Fosun’s ambition for our Club. GoN’s dismissal aside, I see no light at the end of the tunnel.
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Probably best to leave any change until after the shellacking we're likely to have inflicted on us by Man City.

Once that's out of the way then bid farewell to O'Neil and try to course correct. Or don't and get relegated. Fosun's choice.
 
I doubt it

At least getting walloped by City you can say well they have world class players.
Getting done over by West Brom or Millwall is just fookin depressing
 
Squeak said:
I think they prefer it over the embarrassment of being walloped by City every time.
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It kicks fucking ass when you get one over on them, though.

I didn't even care about Wolves yet and I still think about the 2-1 against Manchester United in early-ish 2010. Upsets like that are fucking awesome.

I don't want to beat Cardiff on a Tuesday night because they miss a penalty. I want to beat Manchester City on a Saturday morning in the fucking Etihad.
 
Squeak said:
Sure. I'd be happy with that. How likely is it to happen though? Remains to be seen.
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We don't know but it might happen. You have cited Villa a couple of posts back and how their fortunes have improved since scraping to stay up and then being taken over by ambitious owners so it can happen and it can happen to us, far better than returning to Championship mediocrity and starting all over again (IMO)
 
Jinky said:
This is what happens when it seems likely a football club is on the fast-track to relegation. Their fans start trying to kid themselves that the division below is better.

I work with a couple of Stoke fans and I can guarantee you that they would swap our position with theirs every single day of the week. The Championship is shit.
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Stoke are the current object lesson for what happens when you make repeated bad decisions as a club and throw away hard-earned PL status.

On Sunday they played Hull at home with around 10,000 empty seats, sent out a squad full of nondescript loans and various legacy bad signings, served up terrible football and got thumped 3-1 to leave them 20th on 7 points from 8 games. Went down in 2018 and haven't even troubled the playoff spots ever since.

There is zero pleasure in any of that.
 
Deutsch Wolf said:
Stoke are the current object lesson for what happens when you make repeated bad decisions as a club and throw away hard-earned PL status.

On Sunday they played Hull at home with around 10,000 empty seats, sent out a squad full of nondescript loans and various legacy bad signings, served up terrible football and got thumped 3-1 to leave them 20th on 7 points from 8 games. Went down in 2018 and haven't even troubled the playoff spots ever since.

There is zero pleasure in any of that.
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Speak for yourself. I think that's fucking hilarious.
 
The only good second tier seasons are the ones you’re promoted in because you know you’re leaving it behind.
There’s nothing endearing about a return to the championship, crap away followings looking lost even in the NB quadrant, severely reduced media coverage, more midweek games, most importantly a terrible standard.
The idea of having the BCD back either doesn’t mean anything to look forward to either.
If I had a crystal ball and knew we were going to have a season similar to the 17/18 season then I could live with it but I very much doubt we will it’ll probably be a mess.
 
Kenny said:
I doubt it

At least getting walloped by City you can say well they have world class players.
Getting done over by West Brom or Millwall is just fookin depressing
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I wouldn't be going into games against the shit or Millwall expecting to lose.
 
Squeak said:
Yes, if it actually was that but as we know, it isn't thanks to relegation payments.
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If you think the parachutes make up for the lost TV revenue you're detached from reality.
 
jd1981 said:
The only good second tier seasons are the ones you’re promoted in because you know you’re leaving it behind.
There’s nothing endearing about a return to the championship, crap away followings looking lost even in the NB quadrant, severely reduced media coverage, more midweek games, most importantly a terrible standard.
The idea of having the BCD back either doesn’t mean anything to look forward to either.
If I had a crystal ball and knew we were going to have a season similar to the 17/18 season then I could live with it but I very much doubt we will it’ll probably be a mess.
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I didn't say there was anything endearing about it, just making an argument it isn't a disaster. No-one wants it but games like Everton v Wolves, Luton v Wolves have basically been Championship footy this season. Just more hype.
 
Interesting listening to Kirk speaking to Dazzling Dave talking about the outside view of O'Neil and the job he did at Cherries and the media love-in around him which he finds astounding
 
Squeak said:
I didn't say there was anything endearing about it, just making an argument it isn't a disaster. No-one wants it but games like Everton v Wolves, Luton v Wolves have basically been Championship footy this season. Just more hype.
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But it’s the hype that at least gives the fixture more edge and playing Everton regardless of how poor they might be will always feel like a top flight game.
 
Lupo said:
Interesting listening to Kirk speaking to Dazzling Dave talking about the outside view of O'Neil and the job he did at Cherries and the media love-in around him which he finds astounding
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Fucking hell Dazzling Dave on Star Trek. Fair fucks to the guy.
 
Lupo said:
Not too bothered whether fans of other clubs are sympathetic towards the gormless gimp its us and our club that matters and what's best for it and O'Neil staying much longer will be a disaster for us
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Perception and optics will be important to Shi, Hobbs and Fosun though.

Sacking a manager after 6 games who came in a few days before the season started does not look good to anyone outside the club.

Look how Watford are percieved, we'll be getting into that sort of territory.
 
Elephant Pyjamas said:
Really!?! It doesn't take a lot to astound you.

Sacking him this early would mean Hobbs and Shi have admitted they're wrong very early, people in positions like they're in don't do that.
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Zero points into the next international break I expect parting of ways.
 
Jinky said:
This is what happens when it seems likely a football club is on the fast-track to relegation. Their fans start trying to kid themselves that the division below is better.
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Yep, Albion did exactly the same.

A Blues mate of mine still does it though.
 
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