O'Neil In, Out and Shaking it all about

[Deutsch Wolf]

Perception and optics will be important to Shi, Hobbs and Fosun though.

Sacking a manager after 6 games who came in a few days before the season started does not look good to anyone outside the club.

Look how Watford are percieved, we'll be getting into that sort of territory.

Palace sacked Frank de Boer after 4 games and Ian Holloway after 8 games. Doesn't seem to have given them any adverse reputation.

We can waste time if we want to save face but it's a fool's errand, you're going to end up sacking him after less than half a season anyway.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I'd rather we were working behind the scenes to get a replacement to replace him immediately, than sack him and have Davis take control whilst we conduct the process.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

If you sacked him today there's no reason you couldn't have the new man in for Villa, certainly Bournemouth. Forget Saturday as we'll lose anyway.

I don't want us chewing up games with a manager who we all know isn't up to the task because I've been there and I don't particularly want to wear that t-shirt again. Do you want him in charge vs Bournemouth and Sheff Utd, two games where I'd say we already need a minimum of 4 points? I don't.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

If you sacked him today there's no reason you couldn't have the new man in for Villa, certainly Bournemouth. Forget Saturday as we'll lose anyway.

I don't want us chewing up games with a manager who we all know isn't up to the task because I've been there and I don't particularly want to wear that t-shirt again. Do you want him in charge vs Bournemouth and Sheff Utd, two games where I'd say we already need a minimum of 4 points? I don't.

No, but I don't want Steve Davis in charge of them either, and knowing the way our board react to things like this I'd say that's the alternative.

How long from when we sacked Lage did Lop take his first game?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Again though, just because X happened once before doesn't mean the future will exactly mirror that, and we should hide away from making changes because "what if".

Because the current reality is we're being dragged down by a manager who for a number of reasons is unfit for purpose at this level right now.

 

[Lupo]

Lage went 2nd October and Lop managed us just before Christmas but then there was a WC inbetween!

They went after Lop quite quickly but he turned us down initially. Would be great if they had learned and already have contingency plans in place but then again...

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Stoke are the current object lesson for what happens when you make repeated bad decisions as a club and throw away hard-earned PL status.

On Sunday they played Hull at home with around 10,000 empty seats, sent out a squad full of nondescript loans and various legacy bad signings, served up terrible football and got thumped 3-1 to leave them 20th on 7 points from 8 games. Went down in 2018 and haven't even troubled the playoff spots ever since.

There is zero pleasure in any of that.

Since relegation Stoke haven’t finished in the top half of the Championship. That after a number of seasons of safe mid table PL football. I guess if you want to be positive they have avoided a double drop. After going to Braga and a FA Cup semi final with Nuno the prospect of Championship football is incredibly depressing. Not the end of the world in real life but it is in footballing terms.

I fear the only way out of our downward spiral will be new owners unless Fosun get a renewed interest in challenging for a top seven finish, which seems less likely than a point in Saturday. Still we get to pay top six prices to watch the slow motion car crash that on the current trajectory seems inevitable.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Again though, just because X happened once before doesn't mean the future will exactly mirror that..

Davis is still at the club, he'd be caretaker manager until we appoint someone else, I'd say that's nailed on?

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Probably, but taking 3+ weeks to find a replacement needn't happen.

The squad isn't obviously miles out of its depth in relation to other teams in the relegation picture, loads of managers would want it. Providing you support them properly, like normal owners.

 

[Boozad]

How long did Davis take over for between Lopetegui and Gary O’Nil?

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

Probably, but taking 3+ weeks to find a replacement needn't happen.

Absolutely. Again though, I don't trust Hobbs/Shi to achieve a swift, good appointment.

They really should be sounding people out right now, even if they think GON might turn it around (!)

 

[Squeak]

If you think the parachutes make up for the lost TV revenue you're detached from reality.

Wasn't arguing that but I was saying that you don't immediately lose 100million because of relegation.

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

Wasn't arguing that but I was saying that you don't immediately lose 100million because of relegation.

We do lose hundreds of millions off the value of the club though (well, Fosun do). Look at the difference in sale price of Leeds. Magnified for us as although the stadium comes with the club, it isn't actually worth anything due to the covenants on the land.

 

[WsWolf]

Anyone hear Judah & Keens podcast? Apparently. Keen said that if he had a grand he'd put it on O'Neil being here the start of next season.

Make of that what you will.

 

[Wilf Wolf]

Anyone hear Judah & Keens podcast? Apparently. Keen said that if he had a grand he'd put it on O'Neil being here the start of next season.

Make of that what you will.

I’m sure he’s got a grand. Bookies must be disappointed he won’t put his money where his mouth is!

 

[Deutsch Wolf]

The panto season?

I'd still say no. I don't mind Liam but he's not basing that off anything.

 

[Del Woppio]

Spotify playlist looks decent

 

[Tony Towner]

Anyone hear Judah & Keens podcast? Apparently. Keen said that if he had a grand he'd put it on O'Neil being here the start of next season.

Make of that what you will.

The only way that would be true is if we are on a managed decline like The Accountant posted in the Summer

 

[Johnny75]

The only way that would be true is if we are on a managed decline like The Accountant posted in the Summer

They're will be nothing managed about it if we're on less than 10 points by Christmas. Molineux will be empty or toxic and we'll be nailed on for relegation.

That only ends with Fosun selling us.

 

[Squeak]

We do lose hundreds of millions off the value of the club though (well, Fosun do). Look at the difference in sale price of Leeds. Magnified for us as although the stadium comes with the club, it isn't actually worth anything due to the covenants on the land.

But that only matters if the owners are actually selling and all the signs are they still see this as a long term investment.