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Newcastle 2-1 Wolves: Verdict Thread

We were disappointingly shit.

But, I tell you what, JL must think that Cunha is absolute garbage if he can’t get on the pitch in place of Raul.

Even the media know about the strikers not scoring for a year now - it might well be two years in Raul keeps playing like he did today, too.
 
Thought Raul was ok, but it’s a thankless task with how we expect him to play when cunha isn’t close to him. Made me feelings clear on the pen previously.

Semedo was ok for the most part, seemed knackered last 10.

Jonny, kilman, lemina and Podence really poor.

Suprised Adama got the chop. Although the bar wasn’t high, he did far more than Podence.

Isaak seemed to have both kilman and dawson on toast for the most part.

Positive impact from Neto, which bodes well the more minutes he get.

Good to see hwang back (never thought I’d have said 6 months ago) think he will be quite an important squad player under Lop with his pressing.

On the ref, I don’t think he was that bad. Can totally see why he doesn’t give the penalty with him being so far away, but the ‘clear and obvious error’ situation doesn’t really apply here. I think the ref has basically not made a decision because he doesn’t know, which is fair enough as he’s so far away. In that situation, surely the ref should have the option the say ‘look, I’m not sure, let’s take a 2nd look’

On their first goal, I think it’s a foul by Raul, and can’t recall the foul on Jonny so will need to re look at that.

Semedo could’ve also been sent off.

I don’t by the conspiracy theory of refs being against wolves. We’ve had some high profile shockers (look at Liverpool game) but these poor decisions shouldn’t be used as the main reason we’re not getting results, which quite a few comments imply
 
A draw would have been a fair result when we equalised. We were poor for spells but played some half decent football at times in the second half, gutted by the result as I always seem to be in Newcastle.

Totally different match if mason/var hadn't contrived to fuck us over, mind.
 
I don't think we did play out from the back. 2/3 passes then a hoof.
The problem was those 2 or 3 passes were absolutely appalling so the recipient had little option to banging it downfield, Dawson, Collins and Lemina most culpable imo.
 
The problem was those 2 or 3 passes were absolutely appalling so the recipient had little option to banging it downfield, Dawson, Collins and Lemina most culpable imo.
Pretty standard for the whole team to be fair, so many passes are just underhit or a yard behind their target it's unreal. It's like they're all scared to fizz it into someone or play it ahead into an area that stretches someone in case it fails and they look stupid. You just end up with endless tame passes into feet or safe spaces away from pressure, it's no wonder they struggle to beat a press or force an opening, those little deficiencies give opponents countless opportunities to get back in position.
 
Pretty standard for the whole team to be fair, so many passes are just underhit or a yard behind their target it's unreal. It's like they're all scared to fizz it into someone or play it ahead into an area that stretches someone in case it fails and they look stupid. You just end up with endless tame passes into feet or safe spaces away from pressure, it's no wonder they struggle to beat a press or force an opening, those little deficiencies give opponents countless opportunities to get back in position.
Yep all true, when we went behind a second time with the clock running down we spurned a number of opportunities to play attacking passes that were on but needed a bit of risk, we still seem to revert to pragmatism when it's not ideal.
 
Said it before and I’m sick off it the “clear and obvious” rule doesn’t work it blurs the lines massively. A sheer lack of common sense from the VAR today. Simply look at where the ref is in relation to the incident.
Howard Webb and his minions will hide behind the fact they don’t want to re-ref the game.
 
I’d say there’s definite subconscious bias - I cba to check but it’s pretty clear most of the contentious decisions go in favour of the big-6 team. I’d not include today’s decision in that - that’s just standard refereeing arrogance.
 
The collusion shit has stopped being boring and is now just irritating. They are inept, incompetent, not fit for purpose. That's it, looking deeper just makes stupid people look more stupid
Yeah they’re just not very good, I think they’ve become lazy making big calls to with an attitude of VAR will sort it out. That’s what Madley did today was not sure so didn’t make the call, it’s flawed because you’re then referring back to “ clear & obvious”
I despise their arrogant closed ranks attitude and the ex ref apologists.
I’m not having that there’s secret meetings and an agenda to get us relegated out the league by giving us regular shit calls. We occasionally have them go for us, Brighton home, Forest home, Liverpool away in the league.
 
Yeah they’re just not very good, I think they’ve become lazy making big calls to with an attitude of VAR will sort it out. That’s what Madley did today was not sure so didn’t make the call, it’s flawed because you’re then referring back to “ clear & obvious”
I despise their arrogant closed ranks attitude and the ex ref apologists.
In a mature world todays is really simple. VAR ref says Andy I think that's worth another look at, he jogs over to the screen, he looks and like an adult makes a decision. VAR isn't telling him he's made a mistake, just it's worth a look. We don't live in a mature VAR world.
 
In a mature world todays is really simple. VAR ref says Andy I think that's worth another look at, he jogs over to the screen, he looks and like an adult makes a decision. VAR isn't telling him he's made a mistake, just it's worth a look. We don't live in a mature VAR world
Why they can’t both just look at it I don’t know. Too much pressure on the VAR to make the decision whilst the ref stands in the middle doing fuck all. Just go and look at it together and make a decision, chat about it, whatever.

Junior refs don’t want to overturn big refs, then there’s the desire to not re-ref the game. Should just be a desire to get the right decision but there isn’t.
 
I'm going to be more charitable than others towards the overall performance, I thought we were value for a point (even leaving aside the penalty incident, more on which later). They'd shaded possession and territory but barely laid a glove on us before they scored. Then, fair enough - we were hanging on for 10 minutes or so, looked like we'd concede off every attack and hung on more through luck than judgement. But hang on we did. Could even have equalised through Podence, Pope wasn't saving his shot (Podence wasn't especially good today but nor was he awful as is being painted by some).

Second half we played much better football and were all over them. Looked dangerous, Neto looked far more like it than last week and the equaliser was wholly deserved, even if it came in scruffy fashion and through an error - haven't people been moaning for ages that we never score those kind of goals?

It's then a really silly change by Lopetegui, which he immediately admitted post-match. Three at the back with this squad still has a very limited role in very specific circumstances. As a general rule, just no. It means we hardly ever get up the pitch, we create nothing and we sit far too deep and invite pressure. We also lost organisation at the back, so for the winner you have RAN caught miles upfield, Kilman chasing around like a dog after a balloon (crap effort to block as well and the deflection takes it in - it's a routine save for Sa otherwise) and Collins playing everyone on. Then with our shit formation that we now can't change as we have no subs and none of the centre halves can play anywhere else, we didn't look likely to equalise a second time. We do not have the players to play that shape, please stop it.

Sa (with limited work to do), Semedo, Moutinho and Neto all good. Hopefully the goal gives Hwang a bit of confidence too because he always seems like the kind of player who might go on streaky little mini-runs.

But obviously so much comes down to the penalty. I do not blame Madley at all for not giving it in real time - just because of the way play has progressed, he's inevitably miles away and I defy anyone to say from that distance at full speed with one look that yes, it's definitely a penalty. But FFS, you have replays! It's an NFL-style barge with zero attempt to play the ball. Everyone but everyone knows that is a penalty and a red card. And it fundamentally changes the whole game. Absolutely terrible refereeing, it seems lately that at least one team gets totally screwed over every single week, how is this happening in the age of VAR? It simply shouldn't. I'm not interested in their apology because it means absolutely fuck all. Sort out your appalling standards that are completely embarrassing for a league that on every other level, is the best in the world.

Still very positive that we'll stay up. Frustrating that we got robbed today and even taking that aside, caused our own problems at the end.
 
Just following up on DWs excellent post, you could feel in the ground that we were building up a head of steam before the penalty shout. Some of our movement was pretty good and whenever Adama was on the ball Burn shit himself.
For 50000 fans they had absolutely no atmosphere, however the inept penalty decision completely deflated us and in that one single moment it changed the game completely giving Newcastle the impetus for the rest of that half where we were like rabbits in the headlights.

Still should have protected at least a point, but our defending especially when 3atb was woefull

Next two games are massive for us now
 
Next two games are massive for us now

We definitely can't afford another Bournemouth-style performance against Leeds.

I fear for us at the City Ground though, they're decent at home and MGW will be out to get in our players' heads again
 
i have been looking rid of neves for few years now,as in my opinion he has his mind on big move constantly.
why does he keep getting man of match,or top score for wolves players on bbc after match stats.
like what the f..k does he do? if his name was jeff jones(or something plain like that) and he wasnt so handsome i dont think he would get as much plaudits.
 
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