Newcastle 1 Wolves 1 verdict thread

[sycophantia]

Much the same as everyone elses opinion really.
Thought we bossed the first 20-30 minutes without creating much, then we had the clustetfuck, Jota's pass was terrible but we defended the first cross easy enough but then a simple floated cross, Donk not tracking back and we're one down again.
I get the plan to be tight first half (apart from it not working) and thats fine against the likes of City, but do we really need to do that against the poorer teams. Anyway once we went 3-4-3 we were good, Doc and Traore really work well together and we started creating chances. One of Jota or Doc have to put their chance away and thats a definite pen at the end.
How does var not give something for the assault on Jota?

 

[The Fish]

This. Though we should have had a penalty at the death to win it, VAR pointless again. The same on the foul on Jota, should have been a red card too.

Traore was excellent, including a reverse pass on the goal that he would never have done last year. I thought Raul was a bit flat today, not that involved, and I’m not sure what Pedro Neto is, he doesn’t really take anyone on, just passes back or sideways. He’s very young, but i hope to see more from him soon.

Newcastle are shit, this is a poor result. Nuno needs to sort these first halves out.

Yes we are.

 

[slink]

It's been a long day and there's lots to go through but i'll guess i will start with the team selection and go from there. At the ground saw the side Nuno had picked and the way Wolves had presented the team and actually thought that's the best team i think we can put out right now, fast forward to 1:30 and there's little murmurings of 3-5-2 with Doc in the back 3, surely not? I have no idea what anyone has ever seen from Doc that would make them think that that's a position he should be playing, it doesn't suit him or us. Nuno should have started 3-4-3 and everyone knows it but he then should have been able to switch after 10 minutes. Yes we started quite bright for 5 minutes but then it was apparent what was happening, we were getting deeper and deeper and there was less and less movement but nothing. It's bad when you're playing against a side as limited as Newcastle that everyone in the ground knew they were going to score when they did, it had been coming for at least 10 minutes.

Nuno has got a lot of credit in the bank and rightly so but there's some serious questions that need to be asked about our first halves and as i've mentioned several times our tactics and mentality at the start of games, we can't continue to give teams a head start and come back, we're much better when we're in front so how about doing that and then playing as we can on the break. I know a lot of fans are happy if we finish mid table and have a good cup run but i can't help feeling that's serious under achievement for this squad in terms of league position and look at what positions are available. Had we shown some attacking intent from the off and stuck to it in the games against Newcastle, Burnley, United we would probably be at least 5th now and in a real healthy position and the Europa league isn't affecting us like some thought it would or we wouldn't be strong late in games and we've played similarly in Europe too.

No idea where to start on the officiating and VAR. Friend just seemed to want to give everything against us, VAR should see the forearm smash on Jota which is a straight red and then i'm not sure how it can give decisions which i've seen this weekend for Utd, Brighton etc and not give the most blatant shirt pulling which is stopping Doc from turning 8 yards out. Many say it's not VAR it's the people using it but those are part of it and it's just miles away from being what it should be right now and until it is fit for purpose should be fucked off immediately if it can be.

There's a ton i've missed out i reckon and while we're not in a bad position we are giving cheap points away and if i'm honest i was really pissed off during the game because it was so obvious what was wrong and you just don't expect managers as good as Nuno to make these errors. We need to go back to the 3-5-2 of last season which means no Traore and he's our best player right now or we go back to 3-4-3 and utilise the link up play of Doc and Traore and get our best players in the side in positions they are best in.

 

[Elephant Pyjamas]

I don't know how he got away with this, far more dangerous than Longstaff's challenge

https://twitter.com/FelipeCar/status/1188461230643650561?s=19

 

[Norman Deeley]

The more times I see that challenge on Jota the more it is a straight red. Really dangerous play and surely the sort of thing VAR should check?

And as for the shirt pull in the last minute, the comment was "I don't think it's enough." So how much is enough? You're either pulling a guy's shirt in the box or you're not.

 

[Kenny]

The more times I see that challenge on Jota the more it is a straight red. Really dangerous play and surely the sort of thing VAR should check?

Said at the time it was a red. No idea if VAR even looked at it but surely that has to be checked properly.


On our 1st half performances - Not a massive difference to how we were last season, start solid and keep it tight (loads of games where we created little in the 1st half) but we are now making stupid errors and as happens at this level, getting punished nearly every time and once you start conceding daft goals heads go down.

 

[Premier Quality]

Yes we are.

Welcome back mate - what’s the Newcastle perspective of the game?

 

[Jinky]

Did you write this at HT and not bother with the 2nd half?

We were miles better second half. 3-4-3 obviously was the way to go from the start and Nuno has to dispense with this contain and defend nonsense in the first half. It's clear we have quality players and actually have depth in attacking positions which is good.

Pity Raul, Jota and Doc couldn't score with their chances as I think we deserved the win.

Doc my MOtM.

Sorry, posted that yesterday and logged off.

I agree, we were miles better in the second half. I won't let the equaliser paper over the cracks of the first half, though. I've seen you comment on our slow starts and setting up so negatively against shite like Newcastle and Southampton, and I completely agree with you. Yesterday was frustrating, because if we'd set up with Jota-Raul-Traore from the start (how we all thought we were going to) and gone after them, we'd have won comfortably.

 

[MARKakaJIM]

Sorry, posted that yesterday and logged off.

I agree, we were miles better in the second half. I won't let the equaliser paper over the cracks of the first half, though. I've seen you comment on our slow starts and setting up so negatively against shite like Newcastle and Southampton, and I completely agree with you. Yesterday was frustrating, because if we'd set up with Jota-Raul-Traore from the start (how we all thought we were going to) and gone after them, we'd have won comfortably.

There were times even in the second half, lined up as 343, where there was an obvious lack of intent and ambition too though, as much as I think they've generally looked a lot better in that shape than 352 this season it's as much a mentality change as anything else that they really need to kick into gear.

Think it was just after the equaliser yesterday where Wolves were having plenty of possession just inside their own half with Newcastle content to sit back and protect what they had, can't knock them for that, but for a good chunk of time you had all of Wolves' back 3 plus Neves and Moutinho barely beyond the half way line and the only Newcastle player being occupied by any of them was Joelinton casually jogging between them as the ball was played around. There's no point midfielders dropping deep to gain possession in those situations, unless it's going to drag an opponent out with them and create spaces further up the pitch then it's a waste of time, you just ended up with half the Wolves side in a completely non-threatening area and the other half the team outnumbered almost 2 to 1 and thus almost impossible to pass to. In those situations the midfielders need to push higher up the field, trust the defenders to prompt the attacks and back themselves to receive the ball in tight areas between their opponents where they can cause them problems.

 

[VanWolfie]

Said at the time it was a red. No idea if VAR even looked at it but surely that has to be checked properly.

I have said this before that Graham Scott as VAR does not have the guts to question the on-field referees decision. He should not be allowed to do VAR. Previously, before a game, some of us have always looked at who the referee is to get a sense of how the game might go. Now we have to look at who's in the VAR studio because they can potentially make some game-breaking decisions, just look at the Norwich v Man Utd game. The PGMOL must set up a cadre of non-active (probably former) referees who are rigorously trained in analyzing football incidents on TV replay. Without that, the current version of VAR is setting football back a few years and certain clubs, like Wolves, always getting the short end of any decisions.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I don’t like that we are blaming the ref/VAR for this game. The Jota one is bad, and the defender has left one on him but not sure he’s meant to smash him in the head. “Mitigating circumstances” like in rugby, Jota’s head was lowered and leaning forward and therefore he’s caught him. It’s not too different to Boly on Richarlison, just the contact point is different.

As for the penalty, if that’s given against us in the last minute we are livid.

VAR is shite. Just because James got a penalty for fouling Godfrey and Arsenal had a ridiculous goal overturned doesn’t mean that Docs is a stonewall penalty.

 

[Kenny]

I think it's right we question VAR on both incidents.
Was the Jota one looked at? Well as we are told nothing we dont know but presume it wasnt as we had no "checking incident" update and there was a 3 minute break whilst Jota had treatment (incidentally only 2 minutes got added on in that half)
On the penalty shout. We were told it was zero tolerance on shirt pulling in the area not long ago. If it was up the other end and we did it and it was given, yep I would furious but at the defender trying to remove the players shirt.

 

[Langers]

As for the penalty, if that’s given against us in the last minute we are livid.

VAR is shite. Just because James got a penalty for fouling Godfrey and Arsenal had a ridiculous goal overturned doesn’t mean that Docs is a stonewall penalty.

But it IS a stonewall penalty and too right I'd be livid - livid with any idiot stupid enough to pull on an opponent's shirt in our own box in the 90th minute. I'm not blaming VAR for us playing below par in the first half but we've every right to be frustrated when the technology isn't doing what it was brought in to do.

I'm of the opinion that VAR is fine but the clowns implementing it are fucking it up. It's like giving my nan a copy of Gears of War on insane mode - doesn't mean it's a bad game.

 

[PuntsWolf]

I’ve seen reactions from our fans on here and in stadiums against blatantly correct decisions. So you’d be in the minority

 

[Norman Deeley]

What I don't understand - and this is why fans are getting pissed off - is why the shirt pull on Doherty wasn't given. I saw it, you saw it, VAR must have seen it. Are there now degrees of shirt pulling? Do you have to rip the shirt? There's a clear and obvious shirt pull on a player going for the ball so why is it not a penalty?

 

[b3h]

It's gunna be a long ass season of this shite if they don't address anything, that's for sure

 

[NE66Wolf]

What I don't understand - and this is why fans are getting pissed off - is why the shirt pull on Doherty wasn't given. I saw it, you saw it, VAR must have seen it. Are there now degrees of shirt pulling? Do you have to rip the shirt? There's a clear and obvious shirt pull on a player going for the ball so why is it not a penalty?

Don’t worry, it’ll be put right when Coady or Saiss do it in our box...

 

[Norman Deeley]

It's gunna be a long ass season of this shite if they don't address anything, that's for sure

Problem is that there's a danger of playing half a season under one set of rules and half a season under another. Someone's going to get relegated because of a contentious VAR decision

 

[Dinowolf]

I don’t like that we are blaming the ref/VAR for this game. The Jota one is bad, and the defender has left one on him but not sure he’s meant to smash him in the head. “Mitigating circumstances” like in rugby, Jota’s head was lowered and leaning forward and therefore he’s caught him. It’s not too different to Boly on Richarlison, just the contact point is different.

As for the penalty, if that’s given against us in the last minute we are livid.

VAR is shite. Just because James got a penalty for fouling Godfrey and Arsenal had a ridiculous goal overturned doesn’t mean that Docs is a stonewall penalty.

Completely disagree with all of the opinions in this post.
In the spirit of the new attitude towards posters, I won't call you a WUM.

 

[Tony Towner]

I agree with Punts, I neither thought it a red card nor a penalty. The former an intended body check without a swinging arm, should have been a yellow though. The latter more debatable, but not enough for me.